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to it, actually. You have no IDEA how bad it might get. I say plan and equip for the WORST, and the most likely, NOW, while you can.

<font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font>willows. who are afraid to make a can, get a permit from ATF, etc, aint anybody I'd use for any SORT of guiding info,when you are talking about possible widespread cannabilism, and that sort of horror.
 

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So post a detailed kit list of what you have ready to go AT THIS MOMENT!
 
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I think that every one of has taken worst case shtf scenarios into consideration. Diff between you and us is that we don't live it 24 hours of the day and glory in the death that will come. Nor do we look with pleasure toward killing people for their kit, taking slaves and having a McManwich for lunch.

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While you were in solitary you might have preserved your sanity a bit better if you had bothered to read a history book or two.

Wanna see how bad it can get? Read about the Russian Civil War.

I've seen your gear list back on PN when you posted it - you might as well save yourself the trouble and throw most of that sh^t in the garbage where it belongs.

You seem to think a 'can' is all the gear and skill you need and that it can substitute for everything else. You'd better spend more time out in the boonies getting a grip of yourself and aligning yourself better to reality. You'll be far better off in the long run and have a clearer perspective on what to expect.
 
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I find it funny that you think you are the only one capable of putting together a suppressor. I live in coal, oil and gas country. Every second man here is a machinist or welder many, many of them have some damm nice "home shops" and excellent materials are readily avaliable. If you think such folks couldn't build what they need when they need it you are on crack.

The difference between them and you? They have enough sence not to run thier mouths like a [email protected]

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So tell us how you have prepared gunkid?
 

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to it, actually. You have no IDEA how bad it might get. I say plan and equip for the WORST, and the most likely, NOW, while you can.

willows. who are afraid to make a can, get a permit from ATF, etc, aint anybody I'd use for any SORT of guiding info,when you are talking about possible widespread cannabilism, and that sort of horror.
What's the 'worst'? Nucular exchange? Astroid striking earth? Stup*kid having an enema?

The 'worst'? Why not just go to an island way out in the pacific? Since gunkid has no clue about what this 'worst' is going to be, then he as no idea how to prepare for it. And he never did.
 

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What's coming will be similar to the Russian Civil War, circa 1920.

The famine was so bad that by the end of winter, a 50 pound bag of flour in Moscow was worth in excess of the modern equivalent of US$254,000.00, payable only in gold.

There was cannibalism, rampant lawlessness, disease, unspeakable atrocities, foreign troop landings, rouge military units, brutal warlords, big battles, and large scale civilian deaths.

BUT, Russia is still there and 90% of the people did NOT die.
 
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So, what's so 'modern' or 'advanced' about our society?

We have some cool technological trickets and gadgets, that doesn't make society itself more 'advanced'. The people at the turn of the last century considered themselves quite modern and advanced.

In many ways, as a civilization and a society, we've backslided quite a bit.

Look at Bosnia. They even hosted the winter Olympics there before the war.

The USA is a social and racial pressure cooker and the assinine silliness of 'multiculturalism' had made that problem 10000x worse.
 
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Most of what you listed was directly or indirectly linked to simple hygiene or sanitation. In the last century, basic advancement like antibiotics, understanding of microbiology, food preservatives and transportation render most of your argument moot. The on-hand stockage of basic pharmaceuticals boggles the mind. Another example? The Irish potato famine would not, and could not occur today. Diets are much more diversified, production increased and scores of other changes.

I will give you the lawlessness and a few others, but let's be realistic about the over impact, disruption and the duration of such an event in the 21st century.
 

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Look at Bosnia. They even hosted the winter Olympics there before the war.

The USA is a social and racial pressure cooker and the assinine silliness of 'multiculturalism' had made that problem 10000x worse.
Comparing post-Soviet Yugoslavia (not Bosnia) and the US is apples to oranges.

Multiculturalism and other modern ills had been born out of the boredom and a lack of a national focus that has plague our nation since the end of WWII. However, when faced with a challenge, such as we observed in the wake of 9/11, this society once again, as it has historically done, banded together to preserve the common good. I for one don't see THAT aspect changing.
 

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You know Rostov we had very similar conditions during the US Civil War, it was total chaos.

I think the chances of such a thing happening now, are probually greater than anytime in our history, for the simple fact we are so advanced and infrastructure dependent. In the past, when a large % of the pop. was agricultral, folks hunkered down and made due. Now most of the pop is concentrated and really lacks the space and skills to provide for thier own means.

When the services and products get interupted for whatever reason, things are going to get pretty dicey, pretty fast IMO.

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Comparing post-Soviet Yugoslavia (not Bosnia) and the US is apples to oranges.

Multiculturalism and other modern ills had been born out of the boredom and a lack of a national focus that has plague our nation since the end of WWII. However, when faced with a challenge, such as we observed in the wake of 9/11, this society once again, as it has historically done, banded together to preserve the common good. I for one don't see THAT aspect changing.
That aspect never actually happened. The VAST majority of the support for GW Bush and his 'war on terror' has been from White, middle class America.

Ironically, It's really only White, middle and upper middle class Americans, who actually believe in the myth that regardless of color, we're all 'red, white, and blue' under the skin.

It's a comfortable myth that helps them sleep at night and look at the world through rose colored glasses during the day while the country rapidly changes into something far uglier than what it used to be.

It's this illusion that is in a big way responsible for White Americans as a whole being rather docile and compliant while their own alleged government has made them the only segment of society whom it is legal to discriminate against, and that government has gone out of it's way to encourage and institutionalize that discrimination.

The 9-11 attacks were, at best, a fart in the wind that has been blown way out of proportion to use as a pretext for police state laws and endless foreign wars.

The USA loses vastly more people than that on the highways every month. Most people in this country were unaffected directly by the attacks and most Americans still have their comfortable lifestyle. The 'pulling together' really required no great sacrifice and didn't really bother their lives much. It cost them little visibly and required about as much emotional effort as cheering for a favorite football team.

The biggest direct influence upon the people and their insulated lives, so far, from the 9-11 has been the media doing it's best to keep everyone whipped into a frenzy.

It's interesting how the drive it to push people into perpetual anger over the attacks, but you are never supposed to question the legion of discrepencies in the government's story about all that went on.

It's also interesting how they had legislation already prepped and ready to go, legislation that took years to write and refine. Legislation that removed the shackles from the fearsome beast called the Federal Government, a situtation long feared by the Founding Fathers.

Your opinion may have held true in, say, 1965 when the country was almost 95% White. Now that is no longer the case.

Thanks to multiculturalism, previous historical precedents about us all 'coming together', especially in a REAL crisis, are now increasingly obsolete.

The USA actually has become another Bosnia in a very short time. All it will take is just a spark, like an economic collapse.

Multiculturalism, was not 'born out of boredom', but has been a fully intentional campaign, who's well documented and openly stated goals is the destruction of American national sovereignty and national cohesiveness by the monied global power brokers. A unified, nationalistic America is the prime obstacle in the path of implementing a world government.
 
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