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While you were in solitary you might have preserved your sanity a bit better if you had bothered to read a history book or two.

Wanna see how bad it can get? Read about the Russian Civil War.

I've seen your gear list back on PN when you posted it - you might as well save yourself the trouble and throw most of that sh^t in the garbage where it belongs.

You seem to think a 'can' is all the gear and skill you need and that it can substitute for everything else. You'd better spend more time out in the boonies getting a grip of yourself and aligning yourself better to reality. You'll be far better off in the long run and have a clearer perspective on what to expect.
 
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What's coming will be similar to the Russian Civil War, circa 1920.

The famine was so bad that by the end of winter, a 50 pound bag of flour in Moscow was worth in excess of the modern equivalent of US$254,000.00, payable only in gold.

There was cannibalism, rampant lawlessness, disease, unspeakable atrocities, foreign troop landings, rouge military units, brutal warlords, big battles, and large scale civilian deaths.

BUT, Russia is still there and 90% of the people did NOT die.
 
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So, what's so 'modern' or 'advanced' about our society?

We have some cool technological trickets and gadgets, that doesn't make society itself more 'advanced'. The people at the turn of the last century considered themselves quite modern and advanced.

In many ways, as a civilization and a society, we've backslided quite a bit.

Look at Bosnia. They even hosted the winter Olympics there before the war.

The USA is a social and racial pressure cooker and the assinine silliness of 'multiculturalism' had made that problem 10000x worse.
 
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Comparing post-Soviet Yugoslavia (not Bosnia) and the US is apples to oranges.

Multiculturalism and other modern ills had been born out of the boredom and a lack of a national focus that has plague our nation since the end of WWII. However, when faced with a challenge, such as we observed in the wake of 9/11, this society once again, as it has historically done, banded together to preserve the common good. I for one don't see THAT aspect changing.
That aspect never actually happened. The VAST majority of the support for GW Bush and his 'war on terror' has been from White, middle class America.

Ironically, It's really only White, middle and upper middle class Americans, who actually believe in the myth that regardless of color, we're all 'red, white, and blue' under the skin.

It's a comfortable myth that helps them sleep at night and look at the world through rose colored glasses during the day while the country rapidly changes into something far uglier than what it used to be.

It's this illusion that is in a big way responsible for White Americans as a whole being rather docile and compliant while their own alleged government has made them the only segment of society whom it is legal to discriminate against, and that government has gone out of it's way to encourage and institutionalize that discrimination.

The 9-11 attacks were, at best, a fart in the wind that has been blown way out of proportion to use as a pretext for police state laws and endless foreign wars.

The USA loses vastly more people than that on the highways every month. Most people in this country were unaffected directly by the attacks and most Americans still have their comfortable lifestyle. The 'pulling together' really required no great sacrifice and didn't really bother their lives much. It cost them little visibly and required about as much emotional effort as cheering for a favorite football team.

The biggest direct influence upon the people and their insulated lives, so far, from the 9-11 has been the media doing it's best to keep everyone whipped into a frenzy.

It's interesting how the drive it to push people into perpetual anger over the attacks, but you are never supposed to question the legion of discrepencies in the government's story about all that went on.

It's also interesting how they had legislation already prepped and ready to go, legislation that took years to write and refine. Legislation that removed the shackles from the fearsome beast called the Federal Government, a situtation long feared by the Founding Fathers.

Your opinion may have held true in, say, 1965 when the country was almost 95% White. Now that is no longer the case.

Thanks to multiculturalism, previous historical precedents about us all 'coming together', especially in a REAL crisis, are now increasingly obsolete.

The USA actually has become another Bosnia in a very short time. All it will take is just a spark, like an economic collapse.

Multiculturalism, was not 'born out of boredom', but has been a fully intentional campaign, who's well documented and openly stated goals is the destruction of American national sovereignty and national cohesiveness by the monied global power brokers. A unified, nationalistic America is the prime obstacle in the path of implementing a world government.
 
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CAV, your post was arrogant and really shows that you need to do a bit more research, on well, just about everything.

BTW, I know exactly how the FedGov works, including those in the minor echelons of it's bureaucracy, like yourself, who are suitably inflated on their own self importance. The one thing that the 9-11 attack has truly accomplished is the empowerment of the mediocre who draw government checks.

One of the key things that shows in your textbook babbling (which sounds like you got it straight from that drooling idiot, Rush Limbaugh) is how you launch into insults when you cannot counter that which is well documented (world government, etc)

UFO's? White supremacism? Black Helicopters? Michael Moore?

Typical slanderous misquotes trying to demean what others are saying, even though you're incapable of countering documented fact with anything other than attempts at casual dismissal. (BTW, I have yet to see that pig Moore's movie).

You know, if it's DOCUMENTED it may still be a conspiracy, but it's not a theory.

Now, I'm not going to waste time trading insults with you, tit for tat, simply because I know what I'm talking about and you obviously don't.

Population stats can depend on how you do the counting. Now, IF you EXCLUDE the 'Hispanic' population as a separate category, many of whom are actually White, the USA was actually 88.5% White in 1965. If you include the White 'Hispanics', that number goes up.

You do know what pivotal demographic event happened in 1965, don't you? (hint: immigration law)

Whites are now 70.2% of the population. That's still a majority but that is meaningless because no apathetic majority can resist a determined minority.

This country is being turned into a racial pressure cooker, THAT is just a fact of life. To say otherwise means you've never studied history very well and don't really understand what's going on now.

Your 'logic', and lack thereof, jumps around erratically. Like that 'socialist' comment... Yeah, the UN, the nucleus of the coming world government, is socialist in nature, big surprise, huh.

The legislation? Yup, the PATRIOT Act was being worked on at least FIVE YEARS in advance.

Yeah, it's all just a 'wild conspiracy theory', like when John Edwards made his big speech in front of the Bilderbergers just before he got the #2 spot on the Dem ticket.... Yeah, it's all just a myth, huh.

As for the doom and gloom...

1) It's a mathematical impossibility at this stage for the US economy NOT to collapse. The dollar will collapse. I'm not alone in this opinion, the opinions of major players like George Soros agree with what I'm saying.

2)The ONLY major thing still propping up the international value of the US dollar is that it is, for now, still the international oil trading currency. This will change and probably soon. The Arabs want to form a gold backed Dinar and the Russians want to start taking Euros. The Arabs would also prefer to take Euros. The Euro will probably soon replace the dollar as the currency of choice for more and more international trade, including petroleum.

3) NO multicultural nation stays glued together - NO exceptions. They all either break apart or descend into civil war.

4) The entire world right now is arming for a major war and the USA is seriously over-extended. That's a major thesis unto itself, but it's well documented.

5) There is a major drive on for a world government. It totally documented and openly talked about. Those doing the talking though know that most Americans have their heads up their ass and never actually pay attention to what's going on outside of a few CNN soundbites.


These are all facts. Casual dismissal, over-used, precanned insults, and sappy patriotic banter are not going to make them go away.

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Dude, you MUST be living under a rock (yes, I'll repeat that several times in this post), because you don't know a whole lot, this is obvious.

First of all, books are already written on this stuff, so I'm not going to re-write one for you. You also have access to the web so use Google and enlighten yourself.

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P.S. You didn't answer any of the questions that I asked in the previous post. Are you that afraid of being exposed as a blow-hard that lacks the experience and ability to defend your "documented" positions?
Actually all of your questions were answered. You don't know how to use Google? Shheesh.

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Of course I'll respond to your B.S. Outing a pseudo-intellectual is always a challenge I'm up for. ;)
The only 'pseudo-intellectual here is yourself. Seriously, JD has a better grasp of politics, history, and culture than yourself.

BTW, your haughty attitude still doesn't make you look any less than a know nothing in this thread, I hope you realize that.

Seriously, does someone have to explain to you from the ground up that the sky is blue and the ground is dirt? At your level someone would have to offer up an explanation what dirt is.

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You are right about one thing. I am a lowly cog in a big machine.
Very low, obviously. However, your attitude and superficial views are common in FedGov drones. This is one of the reasons a vast and growing number of people in this country view the government with such utter contempt.

The Federal government isn't the solution to the problem, it IS the problem.

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You have yet to cover a single topic that is DOCUMENTED.
That is pure bullsh^t and if you can't figure that out you really need to go back to school, because you are clueless. That or you're simply lying, one of the two, whatever.

Vote? Lot's of people don't because it doesn't matter. You have a choice, big government scumbag #1 or big government scumbag #2. I vote, but I know it's probably futile, especially now that electronic voting has come to play.

Having a government job doesn't impress me. You want to 'do something?', quit being a tax parasite, start a business, generate some cash flow, and employ some people. The main difference between most FedGov employees and welfare recipients is that the welfare recipients will admit that they are a leech.

OPINION: "This country is being turned into a racial pressure cooker, THAT is just a fact of life." (FACT: Jefferson opposed the further importation of slave into the U.S. as early as 1779 because he was concerned that the population of non-whites (blacks, not Hispanics) would soon outnumber the white majority.)
Jefferson did not foresee the vast White immigration of the 19th Century which secured the destiny of this country as a predominantly White, English speaking nation. In Jefferson's day it was estimated by many that it would take 200 to 400 years to settle the frontier. Things moved a tad faster.

Your statement proves nothing and goes nowhere. The fact is that this country, today, is a growing racial 'pressure cooker' and you have to be living under a rock (or in some government office) not to notice this.

A good example is how your precious government right now is doing NOTHING to stem the avalanche of illegals. Do you know that we have over 15,000 a month coming over just at Douglas, AZ. Oh, GW's boys have been doing some superficial BS in the last week or so, only because it's an election year and people are furious.

I ask again, are you living under a rock? A cave maybe?

OPINION: "It's a mathematical impossibility at this stage for the US economy NOT to collapse." (George Soros? I'll continue to label you as a socialist, if you continue to seek validation for your beliefs from known socialists. FACT: The % of GNP that is being used to finance the U.S. debt (defaulting on debt is the main factor that can cause the collapse of a currency) in at a historical low.)
I don't agree with his politics, but George Soros has made $BILLIONS in currency trading. He's not some government parasite living off of the sweat of others. If he says the dollar is going to collapse, you can bank on it.

Your rosy figures are strangely identical to what the Bush administration (and Rush Limbaugh) is saying.

The Government juggles the numbers and cooks the books. EVERYONE knows this (well, almost everyone it seems, there are some who live under rocks). If you tried to manage a business the way the US FedGov does their books, you'd go to jail.

I'll give you a clue where to start.

Look at the debt, look at the trade deficit, look at how the debt is financed, look at the number of non-service sector jobs that have left, look at the personal debt burden that your average American holds, and from there you can go to other things like the looting of trust funds, social security, etc.

Serious people with serious money are prepping to bail out of the dollar and out of the USA financially. THAT is a fact.

OPINION: "The Euro will probably soon replace the dollar as the currency of choice for more and more international trade, including petroleum." (FACT: The Euro is not a backed currency. There isn't a single financial resource guarantying the value of the pan-European "currency of choice". As a result, every member nation still insists on using its' own national currency as a backup.)
Don't get around much, eh?

Everyone wants the Euro. People take dollars more and more only because they have to. What I said about the oil market isn't opinion but fact and you need to do some study.

Go ahead, put all of your government paychecks into the stock market, and government bonds, it'll be funny to watch.

OPINION: "The entire world right now is arming for a major war and the USA is seriously over-extended. That's a major thesis unto itself, but it's well documented." (Proof man, you need proof!)
Well, you can start with Jane's Defense Weekly and work on from there. The Chinese have also openly stated that they will eventually have a war with us.

I recommend that you do some more study. You have a lot of catching up to do.

OPINION: "There is a major drive on for a world government. It totally documented and openly talked about." RIGHT! :)
Do you know who the Warburg family is? They are one of the primary shareholders in the Federal Reserve and one of the most powerful banking families in the world.

Paul Warburg said it clearly before Congress one day, "You will have World Government, the only question is whether it will be by consent or conquest."

You ever read, "Tragedy and Hope" by Quigley? He was one of the intellectual guiding lights of Clinton. You even have people like Bush Sr. talking about the NWO.

I ask again, "Are you living under a rock?" The info is out there you just need to read it.
 

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I got a real good chuckle out of your post.

During a late lunch today with a buddy of mine who's made about $70M in oil and other natural resources, for a chuckle I showed him your 'knowledge' about international finance and explained that you worked for the government. It was pretty funny. :D

The real gem in your babbling is this bit of naive ignorance:

Paul Warburg said it clearly before Congress one day, "You will have World Government, the only question is whether it will be by consent or conquest."
If I repeat it enough, maybe it will eventually make it into your noggin':

THIS.....IS.....ONE.....MAN'S.....OPINION
So, you obviously don't have a clue as to who the Warburg's are. Okey dokey then. For your future referrence, the "one man's opinion" from the spokesman of one of the families that owns the Federal Reserve probably matters more than the opinion of the US President.

The fact is that the Euro will soon be the #1 worldwide trading currency for many commodities, and the dollar will fall.

I never said that personal debt in the US was a 'conspiracy', that is just another one of your misrepresentations. However, it is a serious problem, as is the deficit in the budget and in trade, as is the utterly titanic US national debt which is only getting worse. Too many formerly well paying jobs have also left the country. The Federal Government refuses to merely live on what they take in, far in excess of $1Trillion, and it continues to bleed borrowed money like a beheaded hemophiliac.

The serfs of medieval Europe had to work for their lords for 3 months out of the year to pay their taxes. Used to be, the average American worked until May to cover all of the taxes, direct and indirect, that they paid for the year. This year they worked until early July.

This situation cannot last. The dollar will collapse and the USA is going to have another major depression. You can bank on that.

So, you went to a couple of countries, BFD, who hasn't. I see you obviously didn't learn much.

Don't take this too personal, but your understanding about how things actually work, especially economics, is very pedestrian, naive, superficial, and rather shallow. Seriously, it sounds like you got 100% of your rhetoric from that drooling idiot, Rush Limbaugh.

Shall I recommend some books for you to read? It'll at least get you started.
 

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one of the families that owns the Federal Reserve
That is officially the stupidest thing you have managed to come up with.
You didn't know that the Federal Reserve is a privately owned organization?

You didn't know THAT???

Yet, you talk about how much you've 'read'? THAT knowledge is rudimentary. The Federal Reserve is the cornerstone of the current US monetary system, and you didn't even know that it was privately owned.

Yes, I think you've proven my point for me right there.


This is classic! You argue with me all of this time, bragging about all that you think you know, yet you didn't know this fundamental FACT. You go on and on, casually dismissing everything that you haven't heard on Rush Limbaugh, but now we have a gleaming beacon on just how much you DON'T know.

For your information, the Federal Reserve is a privately owned banking outfit with a franchise on the American monetary system when Congress un-constitutionally abrogated it's mandated responsibility in 1913.

It's also NEVER been audited.

Maybe you should read some REAL books for a change. If the 2nd rate info you've been studying didn't mention THAT, ask yourself what else they forgot to mention.

BTW, for future reference, since the material you have studied is obviously lacking, here is a list of the major Federal Reserve shareholders:

Rothschild of London and Berlin
Lazard Brothers of Paris
Israel Seiff of Italy
Kuhn-Loeb Company of Germany
Warburg of Hamburg and Amsterdam
Lehman Brothers of New York
Goldman and Sachs of New York
Rockerfeller of New York


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I must have really spun you up for you to go to this much trouble. :)
No, not really. My elderly friend was curious about posting on internet forums, so I showed him a couple of places I post on. He did enjoy your sophmoric views on the economy, especially since you work for the government. It was worth a chuckle and it was a slow day.

The reason I mentioned it was the fact that when someone can make $70M, pulling himself up from his own bootstraps, he knows a thing or two about money and how things really work.

This thread also dovetailed into a long running discussion we've been having on the general mediocre quality of those who work for the government these days, from the lowest to the highest levels. Most of those working for the government couldn't hack it in the outside world of business, so they live as tax parasites.

My other point is this:

I live in the real world of business, I work for myself and I work with others who have been in the game much longer than I have, a couple since WWII. I haven't punched a time card at a 9 to 5 in years.

You've read a couple of textbooks, and probably listened to some talk radio, so you think that you are 'with it'. When those who know the game inform you bluntly that you are FOS, you'd best pay heed and listen because good advice can be the best bargain you'll ever get.

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Best of luck during Armageddon.
Why thank you. A happy Armageddon to you too.

BTW: You'd better pack some beans and buy some gold because I'm absolutely correct in what I said. :cool:
 

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Clue for ya, I don't go by Griffin.

I also know business from real world experience. I also have gained much over the years from those that have been playing the game for 50+ years.

This is why I know a lot more about it than you do. You have what? A textbook from some flunky college course? Do they even teach you how fractional banking works?

Have you ever sat down and read the UCC section on instrument law? I have. I read the UCC for recreation.

POP QUIZ (see how fast you can answer this): What's a 'Non-Bank Bank'?

BTW, don't forget, have a happy Armageddon.

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Oh come on, here let me make it easier for you......

Here's one that's easier to answer.

What is the name of the type of financial institution that is used to broker non-negotiable instruments?

BTW, don't forget, have a happy Armageddon.
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I see you cannot answer the real nuts and bolts financial questions and now you're walking away in a huff.

The misguiding generalities of your basic, low level college 'economics' courses only carry you just so far, huh?

Jealous because you're attending college night classes? :D

I've already been to there and graduated, long ago. College is just the beginning guy. All it'll ever do is maybe open a door.

About 99.99% of your learning comes after college.... unless you go to work for the government and then it's best if you just let your mind atrophe so you can fit in better and get those promotions.

You take some remedial, low level college course and think you're 'educated' about money matters? You'd better get some more moxy than that if you ever want to actually play outside.

BTW, don't forget, have a happy Armageddon.
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Teuf, you have a Phd in running a ranch. IMHO, that's worth a lot now and probably even more into the future than any piece of paper with ink on it from a politically correct American university.

Take the Amish for example. Your average Amish only goes to school till the 8th grade, but those Amish kids have a better fundamental education at the 8th grade than most beginning college freshmen coming from a 'modern' high school in a 'progressive' State like California.

I seldom if ever mention formal education unless someone tries to wave something like that in my face first. IMHO, most of the way 'college' is currently done a sham and a scam. I know, I've spent a ridiculous amount of time there. Unless you need the paper for your career, save yourself the truckload of cash, read a bunch of good books, and see the world.

Garand, military, weapons R&D, stuff like that is what the government is for. Retired military working on weapons R&D is what we need in government. Unfortunately, most people in government do not fall under that category.

The Canadian government has to be more prudent with it's resources because they are not dripping with cash like the bloated US government is.

The US civilian government is hopelessly bloated and is 50x larger than it needs to be. The idiots can't even live on the +1 Trillion they bring in a year.

The US government also tends to attract the worst our society has to offer. If a person is a slug with a minimal IQ, but politically correct, then they have a civilain job waiting in the US Government.

If it wasn't for their government jobs, most of those idiots would either be flipping burgers or stealing hubcaps.

Did you know that they give as many brownie points for hiring to someone just because they are Black as they do for a disabled veteran? I've personally watched government drones waste untold amounts of money, yet FedGov enforcers will wreck businesses, throw people in jail, and toss families out onto the street over a discrepancy in taxes.

The US FedGov has become totally distant and isolated from the people that created it. It's become quite the monster. The 9-11 incident has set in motion the final unleashing of that monster with a massive increase in the potential powers they can inflict upon you, with a massive increase in both the bureaucracy and the security apparatus.

The US Government can do anything it wants to you, any time it wants, and they can do it over any pretext they feel like inventing that day.

ANY government that can do that, eventually will.

The Federal government is supposed to protect the borders, guarantee our freedoms enshrined in the Constitution and keep local government from infringing upon them, protect our national sovereignty, and provide for a national defense.

Instead, they refuse to guard the southern border, they restrict our freedoms at every occasion, tax us to death, and have our 'national defense' scattered across the globe. They are also doing everything possible to surrender our national sovereignty to ever increasing globalism.
 
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