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Watch out the black helos are coming...

If you actually believe this load of crap, then you are more misguided that I first thought.

"That aspect never actually happened. The VAST majority of the support for GW Bush and his 'war on terror' has been from White, middle class America.

Ironically, It's really only White, middle and upper middle class Americans, who actually believe in the myth that regardless of color, we're all 'red, white, and blue' under the skin.

It's a comfortable myth that helps them sleep at night and look at the world through rose colored glasses during the day while the country rapidly changes into something far uglier than what it used to be."

Since you don't know me from Adam I'll introduce myself. First, I proudly wear the uniform and represent "the White middle class American institution" that has in someway pushed you into believing that the world you just described actually exists. I serve daily with fantastic people that (brace yourself) represent every possible ethnic, religious, social, and national segment that you can imagine. I sleep well at night, not because I falsely believe in a rosy myth of white supremacy, but because I know the caliber of the men and women that are actively ensuring that your "reality" of impending doom remains a fictional topic for internet chats. Your failure to remain grounded in fact is based on a falsehood that what you can't see in the world, or what CNN doesn't show you, must not exist. It‘s a big world out there. Get out and see some of it. Reality might just surprise ya!

"It's this illusion that is in a big way responsible for White Americans as a whole being rather docile and compliant while their own alleged government has made them the only segment of society whom it is legal to discriminate against, and that government has gone out of it's way to encourage and institutionalize that discrimination."

Really? Then why has affirmative action been declared unconstitutional and outlawed? Just because the pendulum of justice swings slower than some people like, doesn’t mean that there is no justice.

"The 9-11 attacks were, at best, a fart in the wind that has been blown way out of proportion to use as a pretext for police state laws and endless foreign wars."

That the "fart in the wind" was but the tip of an iceburg. I know cause I fight "Bush's war" everyday. Suffice it to say that there is $hit going on around the globe, both for us and against us, that you can't possibly fathom in your safe little mind. If you spent as much time studying the history, hatred, beliefs, methods, and other reasons why others seek to bring about our collective destruction as you do spouting off about how bad things are on the home front, you might have a basic understand as to why pre-emptive strikes and asymmetric warfare are necessary evils. Oh, and newsflash, there will be more to come.


"Most people in this country were unaffected directly by the attacks and most Americans still have their comfortable lifestyle. The 'pulling together' really required no great sacrifice and didn't really bother their lives much. It cost them little visibly and required about as much emotional effort as cheering for a favorite football team."

Agreed, but just because sacrifice wasn't required doesn’t mean that we all weren't ready to sacrifice. You’re using the flawed logic that since A equals B, it must be true that A also equals C.

"The biggest direct influence upon the people and their insulated lives, so far, from the 9-11 has been the media doing it's best to keep everyone whipped into a frenzy."

Welcome to election year politics. It isn't rocket science............

"It's interesting how the drive it to push people into perpetual anger over the attacks, but you are never supposed to question the legion of discrepancies in the government's story about all that went on.

It's also interesting how they had legislation already prepped and ready to go, legislation that took years to write and refine. Legislation that removed the shackles from the fearsome beast called the Federal Government, a situation long feared by the Founding Fathers."

Dude, Michael Moore called and wants his plot back. You also forgot to mention that Roosevelt was in on Pearl Harbor, and Johnson had the mob kill Kennedy. Unfortunately, history, the intelligence, and that pesky little thing that caused Moore problems (FACT) are all against you. Have you actually set down and taken the time to read the Patriot Act? Nothing changed. No civil liberties disappeared, not a single one. Pre-canned legislation you say? Do you know how imperfect the post 9/11 government runs? Obviously not. I deal with state-level planning and security everyday and will be the first to admit that each week that passes, without another attack, is a gift from God. It gives us a few more days to fix the jacked up systems and eliminate the obstacles that still exist. Sure we were forced to admit that our baby was ugly. But you know what? Everyday that baby gets less ugly.

"Your opinion may have held true in, say, 1965 when the country was almost 95% White. Now that is no longer the case."

This country wasn't 95% white in 1765, let alone 1965. (Another of those pesky facts )

"Thanks to multiculturalism, previous historical precedents about us all 'coming together', especially in a REAL crisis, are now increasingly obsolete.

The USA actually has become another Bosnia in a very short time. All it will take is just a spark, like an economic collapse."

Tell me what you know of Bosnia, since you've now mentioned it twice on this thread. Have you lived there? Have you even been there? What do you know about the history of the past 1000 years in that region? Tell me why it is important to the ongoing War on Terror? Why are the Balkans of any significance at all to the modern world? When you can answer these questions, then we can sit down and have an informed discussion.

"Multiculturalism, was not 'born out of boredom', but has been a fully intentional campaign, who's well documented and openly stated goals is the destruction of American national sovereignty and national cohesiveness by the monied global power brokers."

Repeat after me: There are no UFOs. Another newsflash for ya, we are the moneyed power brokers. What currency stabilizes the world's markets? Whose government bonds are considered "risk-free" and forms the basis for global financial theory? What happens to the rest of the world when the U.S. economy hiccups? Take a class on financial basics or read "The Wealth of Nations" and we'll discuss this again. (Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that the elitist media of this country would prefer that you and I remain economically illiterate so that we can't refute their fraudulent coverage of our government's policies)

"A unified, nationalistic America is the prime obstacle in the path of implementing a world government."

Only if your a socialist dude, (Don't worry I won't let your secret out of the bag )

BACK TO GUNS!! :uzi:

CAV, your post was arrogant and really shows that you need to do a bit more research, on well, just about everything.

BTW, I know exactly how the FedGov works, including those in the minor echelons of it's bureaucracy, like yourself, who are suitably inflated on their own self importance. The one thing that the 9-11 attack has truly accomplished is the empowerment of the mediocre who draw government checks.

One of the key things that shows in your textbook babbling (which sounds like you got it straight from that drooling idiot, Rush Limbaugh) is how you launch into insults when you cannot counter that which is well documented (world government, etc)

UFO's? White supremacism? Black Helicopters? Michael Moore?

Typical slanderous misquotes trying to demean what others are saying, even though you're incapable of countering documented fact with anything other than attempts at casual dismissal. (BTW, I have yet to see that pig Moore's movie).

You know, if it's DOCUMENTED it may still be a conspiracy, but it's not a theory.

Now, I'm not going to waste time trading insults with you, tit for tat, simply because I know what I'm talking about and you obviously don't.

Population stats can depend on how you do the counting. Now, IF you EXCLUDE the 'Hispanic' population as a separate category, many of whom are actually White, the USA was actually 88.5% White in 1965. If you include the White 'Hispanics', that number goes up.

You do know what pivotal demographic event happened in 1965, don't you? (hint: immigration law)

Whites are now 70.2% of the population. That's still a majority but that is meaningless because no apathetic majority can resist a determined minority.

This country is being turned into a racial pressure cooker, THAT is just a fact of life. To say otherwise means you've never studied history very well and don't really understand what's going on now.

Your 'logic', and lack thereof, jumps around erratically. Like that 'socialist' comment... Yeah, the UN, the nucleus of the coming world government, is socialist in nature, big surprise, huh.

The legislation? Yup, the PATRIOT Act was being worked on at least FIVE YEARS in advance.

Yeah, it's all just a 'wild conspiracy theory', like when John Edwards made his big speech in front of the Bilderbergers just before he got the #2 spot on the Dem ticket.... Yeah, it's all just a myth, huh.

As for the doom and gloom...

1) It's a mathematical impossibility at this stage for the US economy NOT to collapse. The dollar will collapse. I'm not alone in this opinion, the opinions of major players like George Soros agree with what I'm saying.

2)The ONLY major thing still propping up the international value of the US dollar is that it is, for now, still the international oil trading currency. This will change and probably soon. The Arabs want to form a gold backed Dinar and the Russians want to start taking Euros. The Arabs would also prefer to take Euros. The Euro will probably soon replace the dollar as the currency of choice for more and more international trade, including petroleum.

3) NO multicultural nation stays glued together - NO exceptions. They all either break apart or descend into civil war.

4) The entire world right now is arming for a major war and the USA is seriously over-extended. That's a major thesis unto itself, but it's well documented.

5) There is a major drive on for a world government. It totally documented and openly talked about. Those doing the talking though know that most Americans have their heads up their ass and never actually pay attention to what's going on outside of a few CNN soundbites.

These are all facts. Casual dismissal, over-used, precanned insults, and sappy patriotic banter are not going to make them go away.

Of course I’ll respond to your B.S. Outing a pseudo-intellectual is always a challenge I’m up for.

“BTW, I know exactly how the FedGov works, including those in the minor echelons of it's bureaucracy, like yourself, who are suitably inflated on their own self importance.”

I never asked you “how the government works” but you’ve made it is obvious you haven’t a clue. I did ask what experience you based your drivel on. (BTW, you skipped that part in your response.)

You are right about one thing. I am a lowly cog in a big machine. But I have the ability to argue my position based on fact, personal observation, and experience. Can you make this claim?

I go to work everyday, for a much lower wage that I could earn elsewhere, because I personally feel that what I do makes a difference. Unlike you, I decide years ago to stop bitching about the status quo and the direction that the country was headed. I decided to stop being a part of the problem, and started being part of a solution. People with your attitude are exactly what are wrong with this country. You want to engage in the finger pointing at everyone else but are unwilling, or unable, to offer a better alternative. Stop wasting so much effort complaining about the problems and fix something. You remind me of the average citizen that complains about everything under the sun, but when asked how they voted the response is “Oh, I didn’t vote.” If you can’t answer the question “What have I done to make a difference today?” then you’re just another social sycophant living of the fruits of other’s hard work.

On with the meat and potatoes:

”One of the key things that shows in your textbook babbling (which sounds like you got it straight from that drooling idiot, Rush Limbaugh) is how you launch into insults when you cannot counter that which is well documented (world government, etc)”

Well documented by whom? You? This is your chance to convince me. Instead of trading barbs in this “You’re an idiot and I’m not” argument start using FACTS. I’ll gladly debate you using FACTS. I will not engage in unintelligible babblings based on supposition, emotion and conspiracy. Put you money where your mouth is and list your FACTS here instead of spewing out your OPINIONS.

This was by far my favorite line:

“You know, if it's DOCUMENTED it may still be a conspiracy, but it's not a theory.”

You have yet to cover a single topic that is DOCUMENTED. Webster defines CONSRIPACY as the act of conspiring by a group of plotters. Does that sound “fact-based” to you?

OPINION: “This country is being turned into a racial pressure cooker, THAT is just a fact of life.” (FACT: Jefferson opposed the further importation of slave into the U.S. as early as 1779 because he was concerned that the population of non-whites (blacks, not Hispanics) would soon outnumber the white majority.)

OPINION: "It's a mathematical impossibility at this stage for the US economy NOT to collapse." (George Soros? I’ll continue to label you as a socialist, if you continue to seek validation for your beliefs from known socialists. FACT: The % of GNP that is being used to finance the U.S. debt (defaulting on debt is the main factor that can cause the collapse of a currency) in at a historical low.)

OPINION: "The Euro will probably soon replace the dollar as the currency of choice for more and more international trade, including petroleum." (FACT: The Euro is not a backed currency. There isn’t a single financial resource guarantying the value of the pan-European “currency of choice”. As a result, every member nation still insists on using its’ own national currency as a backup.)

OPINION: "The entire world right now is arming for a major war and the USA is seriously over-extended. That's a major thesis unto itself, but it's well documented." (Proof man, you need proof!)

OPINION: "There is a major drive on for a world government. It totally documented and openly talked about."

”These are all facts.”

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P.S. You didn’t answer any of the questions that I asked in the previous post. Are you that afraid of being exposed as a blow-hard that lacks the experience and ability to defend your “documented” positions?

Dude, you MUST be living under a rock (yes, I'll repeat that several times in this post), because you don't know a whole lot, this is obvious.

First of all, books are already written on this stuff, so I'm not going to re-write one for you. You also have access to the web so use Google and enlighten yourself.

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P.S. You didn't answer any of the questions that I asked in the previous post. Are you that afraid of being exposed as a blow-hard that lacks the experience and ability to defend your "documented" positions?

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Actually all of your questions were answered. You don't know how to use Google? Shheesh.

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Of course I'll respond to your B.S. Outing a pseudo-intellectual is always a challenge I'm up for.

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The only 'pseudo-intellectual here is yourself. Seriously, JD has a better grasp of politics, history, and culture than yourself.

BTW, your haughty attitude still doesn't make you look any less than a know nothing in this thread, I hope you realize that.

Seriously, does someone have to explain to you from the ground up that the sky is blue and the ground is dirt? At your level someone would have to offer up an explanation what dirt is.

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You are right about one thing. I am a lowly cog in a big machine.

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Very low, obviously. However, your attitude and superficial views are common in FedGov drones. This is one of the reasons a vast and growing number of people in this country view the government with such utter contempt.

The Federal government isn't the solution to the problem, it IS the problem.

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You have yet to cover a single topic that is DOCUMENTED.

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That is pure bullsh^t and if you can't figure that out you really need to go back to school, because you are clueless. That or you're simply lying, one of the two, whatever.

Vote? Lot's of people don't because it doesn't matter. You have a choice, big government scumbag #1 or big government scumbag #2. I vote, but I know it's probably futile, especially now that electronic voting has come to play.

Having a government job doesn't impress me. You want to 'do something?', quit being a tax parasite, start a business, generate some cash flow, and employ some people. The main difference between most FedGov employees and welfare recipients is that the welfare recipients will admit that they are a leech.

OPINION: "This country is being turned into a racial pressure cooker, THAT is just a fact of life." (FACT: Jefferson opposed the further importation of slave into the U.S. as early as 1779 because he was concerned that the population of non-whites (blacks, not Hispanics) would soon outnumber the white majority.)

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Jefferson did not foresee the vast White immigration of the 19th Century which secured the destiny of this country as a predominantly White, English speaking nation. In Jefferson's day it was estimated by many that it would take 200 to 400 years to settle the frontier. Things moved a tad faster.

Your statement proves nothing and goes nowhere. The fact is that this country, today, is a growing racial 'pressure cooker' and you have to be living under a rock (or in some government office) not to notice this.

A good example is how your precious government right now is doing NOTHING to stem the avalanche of illegals. Do you know that we have over 15,000 a month coming over just at Douglas, AZ. Oh, GW's boys have been doing some superficial BS in the last week or so, only because it's an election year and people are furious.

I ask again, are you living under a rock? A cave maybe?

OPINION: "It's a mathematical impossibility at this stage for the US economy NOT to collapse." (George Soros? I'll continue to label you as a socialist, if you continue to seek validation for your beliefs from known socialists. FACT: The % of GNP that is being used to finance the U.S. debt (defaulting on debt is the main factor that can cause the collapse of a currency) in at a historical low.)

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I don't agree with his politics, but George Soros has made $BILLIONS in currency trading. He's not some government parasite living off of the sweat of others. If he says the dollar is going to collapse, you can bank on it.

Your rosy figures are strangely identical to what the Bush administration (and Rush Limbaugh) is saying.

The Government juggles the numbers and cooks the books. EVERYONE knows this (well, almost everyone it seems, there are some who live under rocks). If you tried to manage a business the way the US FedGov does their books, you'd go to jail.

I'll give you a clue where to start.

Look at the debt, look at the trade deficit, look at how the debt is financed, look at the number of non-service sector jobs that have left, look at the personal debt burden that your average American holds, and from there you can go to other things like the looting of trust funds, social security, etc.

Serious people with serious money are prepping to bail out of the dollar and out of the USA financially. THAT is a fact.

OPINION: "The Euro will probably soon replace the dollar as the currency of choice for more and more international trade, including petroleum." (FACT: The Euro is not a backed currency. There isn't a single financial resource guarantying the value of the pan-European "currency of choice". As a result, every member nation still insists on using its' own national currency as a backup.)

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Don't get around much, eh?

Everyone wants the Euro. People take dollars more and more only because they have to. What I said about the oil market isn't opinion but fact and you need to do some study.

Go ahead, put all of your government paychecks into the stock market, and government bonds, it'll be funny to watch.

OPINION: "The entire world right now is arming for a major war and the USA is seriously over-extended. That's a major thesis unto itself, but it's well documented." (Proof man, you need proof!)

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Well, you can start with Jane's Defense Weekly and work on from there. The Chinese have also openly stated that they will eventually have a war with us.

I recommend that you do some more study. You have a lot of catching up to do.

OPINION: "There is a major drive on for a world government. It totally documented and openly talked about." RIGHT!

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Do you know who the Warburg family is? They are one of the primary shareholders in the Federal Reserve and one of the most powerful banking families in the world.

Paul Warburg said it clearly before Congress one day, "You will have World Government, the only question is whether it will be by consent or conquest."

You ever read, "Tragedy and Hope" by Quigley? He was one of the intellectual guiding lights of Clinton. You even have people like Bush Sr. talking about the NWO.

I ask again, "Are you living under a rock?" The info is out there you just need to read it.

First of all, books are already written on this stuff, so I'm not going to re-write one for you. You also have access to the web so use Google and enlighten yourself.

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Your "proof" and ability to document "fact" is based solely upon the premise that a book has been published or you read it on the internet? Seriously, even someone of your questionable intellect must admit that is about as weak of an argument that you could possibly make. Books were once published that said the world was flat, does that make it so? If you feel this strongly about the topic, and it is so easily documented, surely you can provide a single fact.

Actually all of your questions were answered.

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Since your reading comprehension is as well developed as your grasp of reality I'll repost the questions that you have yet to even acknowledge, let alone answer.

Tell me what you know of Bosnia, since you've now mentioned it twice on this thread. Have you lived there? Have you even been there? What do you know about the history of the past 1000 years in that region? Tell me why it is important to the ongoing War on Terror? Why are the Balkans of any significance at all to the modern world?

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I have the ability to argue my position based on fact, personal observation, and experience. Can you make this claim?

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What currency stabilizes the world's markets? Whose government bonds are considered "risk-free" and forms the basis for global financial theory? What happens to the rest of the world when the U.S. economy hiccups?

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I'll also add: What is your education level? Have you invested the time and effort necessary to discover knowledge for yourself by looking at both sides of an issue and making an informed discussion, or have you contented yourself with allowing others to think for you? What is your experience with economics and finance? Can you explain to me why your beloved Soros, despite having made his fortune in a free market system is now completely in opposition to it?

During my own studies, I've run across Soros. Economical he has a few valid points. He lost me because he finds it impossible to avoid imposing his political views into his economic theory. He falsely connects military power with economic fascism. This isn't surprising considering he grew up under the Soviet occupation. Soros has his own agenda. He is a diehard proponent of the One World government, so of course he preaches financial doom and gloom for the U.S. Why is Soros so dead a$$ against the president? Bush had the audacity to lead the invasion of Iraq without the support of the UN Security Council. Last time I checked, we are a sovereign nation that requires approval from no one, certainly not a non-governing, non-elected body as defunct as the UN. You can call me arrogant for stating such, but you can't dispute that it is fact, right or wrong.

Very low, obviously. However, your attitude and superficial views are common in FedGov drones.

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Strike one. My friend, you wrongly assumed that I work for the federal government. I simply stated that I wore a uniform; your emotional hatred and blind rage naturally led you to associate me with "the Man". As I have previously stated, you have repeatedly shown your ignorance in matters of governmental organization and function. You have blinded yourself to other possibilities. I fully agree with you that government isn't the solution and is a big part of the problem.

Vote? Lot's of people don't because it doesn't matter. You have a choice, big government scumbag #1 or big government scumbag #2. I vote, but I know it's probably futile.

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Your attitude is exactly the problem. The reason that the two party system offers little choice is that the majority of Americans have historically been centralist by nature. No candidate will ever be elected by adopting a far left or right position. I understand you have difficulty with basic concepts, but THAT IS MAJORITY RULE. Just because you personally don't agree with the outcome of democracy, doesn't invalidate its applications.

Having a government job doesn't impress me. You want to 'do something?', quit being a tax parasite, start a business, generate some cash flow, and employ some people. The main difference between most FedGov employees and welfare recipients is that the welfare recipients will admit that they are a leech.

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Strike two. I run a small business out of my home and it is even profitable. I have the luxury of enjoying a hobby that pays for itself. I also volunteer my time to several non-profit organizations because I enjoy being a part of a solution.

Look at the debt, look at the trade deficit, look at how the debt is financed, look at the number of non-service sector jobs that have left, look at the personal debt burden that your average American holds, and from there you can go to other things like the looting of trust funds, social security, etc.

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You're just as guilty of using "rosy figures", strangely identical to another candidate.

1. Personal debt is solely the result of personal choice. No conspiracy involved.

2. Jobs go away because businesses are in business solely to maximize profit. Profits go up when costs go down. What is one of the highest input costs? Labor. If you demand $20/hr to work, and another individual only demands $7/hr to do the same job, whom do you think I'm going to hire? Not you. Do I really care where the other person lives? I could care less. Until American workers realize that they aren't entitled to a single cent, the jobs will continue to move to other regions where people are more than willing to work for lower, but still fair wages. THAT IS A MARKET AT WORK. Ask you buddy Soros if you don't believe me.

3. All those economic numbers being thrown about are only as useful as the person interpreting them. They must be compared to a base index in order to mean anything at all. Dollar amount X (by itself) means nothing. Any student taking Intro to Economics knows that.

I'd suggest that you take the time necessary to better understand the meaning and use of these numbers. It would certainly give you more credibility than simply regurgitate them in an argument.

The fact is that this country, today, is a growing racial 'pressure cooker' and you have to be living under a rock (or in some government office) not to notice this. Do you know that we have over 15,000 a month coming over just at Douglas, AZ.

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Dude, I live in a border state with one of the highest populations of racial minorities in the nation. I grew up around both agricultural and construction and was introduced to the "immigration problem" at a young age. As stated previously, I interact regularly with people from many backgrounds. I FLAT OUT DISAGREE WITH YOUR POSITION and could care less whether you agree with me or not......Have you seen my rock?

Don't get around much, eh?

Everyone wants the Euro. People take dollars more and more only because they have to. What I said about the oil market isn't opinion but fact and you need to do some study.

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Strike three. Actually I’ve been to three foreign nations since April. MOF, I was in one of the newly inducted EU nations on the eve of their entrance into the EU. The VAT tax went from 5% to 19% at midnight. As part of the vote, this nation insisted that they be allowed to keep their currency. The Ministry of Finance spent two years studying the stability of the Euro and determined that it was less stable than what they already had.

The oil markets will never based on the Euro. Your "fact" is fiction. The United States is the largest buyer and importer of oil in the world. Why would the oil markets be based on a currency that is neither as stable nor as common as the dollar? It is all about risk and the U.S. T-Bill. Take a finance course on international money markets. It is really a very basic concept.

I'll repeat: Your credibility suffers because you spew out garbage that you don't have a fundamental grasp of. Take the time necessary to educate yourself and gain a better understand of what you choose to argue.

And finally:

Paul Warburg said it clearly before Congress one day, "You will have World Government, the only question is whether it will be by consent or conquest."

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If I repeat it enough, maybe it will eventually make it into your noggin':

THIS.....IS.....ONE.....MAN'S.....OPINION

I got a real good chuckle out of your post.

During a late lunch today with a buddy of mine who's made about $70M in oil and other natural resources, for a chuckle I showed him your 'knowledge' about international finance and explained that you worked for the government. It was pretty funny.

The real gem in your babbling is this bit of naive ignorance:

Paul Warburg said it clearly before Congress one day, "You will have World Government, the only question is whether it will be by consent or conquest."

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If I repeat it enough, maybe it will eventually make it into your noggin':

THIS.....IS.....ONE.....MAN'S.....OPINION

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So, you obviously don't have a clue as to who the Warburg's are. Okey dokey then. For your future referrence, the "one man's opinion" from the spokesman of one of the families that owns the Federal Reserve probably matters more than the opinion of the US President.

The fact is that the Euro will soon be the #1 worldwide trading currency for many commodities, and the dollar will fall.

I never said that personal debt in the US was a 'conspiracy', that is just another one of your misrepresentations. However, it is a serious problem, as is the deficit in the budget and in trade, as is the utterly titanic US national debt which is only getting worse. Too many formerly well paying jobs have also left the country. The Federal Government refuses to merely live on what they take in, far in excess of $1Trillion, and it continues to bleed borrowed money like a beheaded hemophiliac.

The serfs of medieval Europe had to work for their lords for 3 months out of the year to pay their taxes. Used to be, the average American worked until May to cover all of the taxes, direct and indirect, that they paid for the year. This year they worked until early July.

This situation cannot last. The dollar will collapse and the USA is going to have another major depression. You can bank on that.

So, you went to a couple of countries, BFD, who hasn't. I see you obviously didn't learn much.

Don't take this too personal, but your understanding about how things actually work, especially economics, is very pedestrian, naive, superficial, and rather shallow. Seriously, it sounds like you got 100% of your rhetoric from that drooling idiot, Rush Limbaugh.

Shall I recommend some books for you to read? It'll at least get you started.

Still avoiding those pesky questions, huh?

I must have really spun you up for you to go to this much trouble.

During a late lunch today with a buddy of mine who's made about $70M in oil and other natural resources, for a chuckle I showed him your 'knowledge' about international finance and explained that you worked for the government.

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Surely you can come up with a better lie than that. What relevance does your "friend" and his "$70 million" have in this discussion? Is he supposed to somehow lend validity to your indefensible positions? Does he magically turn your opinions into facts? If he shares your vision of the future then he is merely a simpleton with money. At least he can afford to move out of his parents basement. Besides, the only thing I said about international finance was that the Euro is not a seperately backed currency, which is FACT. Nice try.

one of the families that owns the Federal Reserve

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That is officially the stupidest thing you have managed to come up with.

The dollar will collapse and the USA is going to have another major depression. You can bank on that.

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Even a blind pig can eventually find an acorn. You must be a genius. Economist refer to this phenomina as an "economic cycle".

your understanding about how things actually work, especially economics, is very pedestrian, naive, superficial, and rather shallow.

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But unfortunately for you, I am also correct.


Speaking of books:

Macroeconomics by Gregory Mankiw would be a good one for you to start with. Also Barron's Finance It is elementary and sticks to the basics, but is written on a level that should allow you to grasp bits and pieces. How could I wrap up this "discussion" without suggesting The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers by Paul Kennedy.

Of course I don't actually expect that you read any of these, seeing how you've chosen to remain blissfully ignorant through this much of your life. Best of luck during Armageddon.

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That is officially the stupidest thing you have managed to come up with.

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You didn't know that the Federal Reserve is a privately owned organization?

You didn't know THAT???

Yet, you talk about how much you've 'read'? THAT knowledge is rudimentary. The Federal Reserve is the cornerstone of the current US monetary system, and you didn't even know that it was privately owned.

Yes, I think you've proven my point for me right there.

This is classic! You argue with me all of this time, bragging about all that you think you know, yet you didn't know this fundamental FACT. You go on and on, casually dismissing everything that you haven't heard on Rush Limbaugh, but now we have a gleaming beacon on just how much you DON'T know.

For your information, the Federal Reserve is a privately owned banking outfit with a franchise on the American monetary system when Congress un-constitutionally abrogated it's mandated responsibility in 1913.

It's also NEVER been audited.

Maybe you should read some REAL books for a change. If the 2nd rate info you've been studying didn't mention THAT, ask yourself what else they forgot to mention.

BTW, for future reference, since the material you have studied is obviously lacking, here is a list of the major Federal Reserve shareholders:

Rothschild of London and Berlin
Lazard Brothers of Paris
Israel Seiff of Italy
Kuhn-Loeb Company of Germany
Warburg of Hamburg and Amsterdam
Lehman Brothers of New York
Goldman and Sachs of New York
Rockerfeller of New York

CAV said:

I must have really spun you up for you to go to this much trouble.

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No, not really. My elderly friend was curious about posting on internet forums, so I showed him a couple of places I post on. He did enjoy your sophmoric views on the economy, especially since you work for the government. It was worth a chuckle and it was a slow day.

The reason I mentioned it was the fact that when someone can make $70M, pulling himself up from his own bootstraps, he knows a thing or two about money and how things really work.

This thread also dovetailed into a long running discussion we've been having on the general mediocre quality of those who work for the government these days, from the lowest to the highest levels. Most of those working for the government couldn't hack it in the outside world of business, so they live as tax parasites.

My other point is this:

I live in the real world of business, I work for myself and I work with others who have been in the game much longer than I have, a couple since WWII. I haven't punched a time card at a 9 to 5 in years.

You've read a couple of textbooks, and probably listened to some talk radio, so you think that you are 'with it'. When those who know the game inform you bluntly that you are FOS, you'd best pay heed and listen because good advice can be the best bargain you'll ever get.

CAV said:

Best of luck during Armageddon.

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Why thank you. A happy Armageddon to you too.

BTW: You'd better pack some beans and buy some gold because I'm absolutely correct in what I said.

Clue for ya, I don't go by Griffin.

I also know business from real world experience. I also have gained much over the years from those that have been playing the game for 50+ years.

This is why I know a lot more about it than you do. You have what? A textbook from some flunky college course? Do they even teach you how fractional banking works?

Have you ever sat down and read the UCC section on instrument law? I have. I read the UCC for recreation.

POP QUIZ (see how fast you can answer this): What's a 'Non-Bank Bank'?

BTW, don't forget, have a happy Armageddon.