[andy]

much less with a handgun,much less big game with a handgun. All hunting is just a surrgate for combat, it's a VERY expensive and inefficient way to get lots of meat, for instance. So the idea that you 'need" a handgun that can take big game is just a joke, basically. If you NEED the meat,then you use a rifle, and you don't CARE about 'seasons", bag limits, rules about gender, age of the animal, using bait, flashlight, etc.

The only reason to take animals with a pistol, really, is to establish confidence in the ability of your load and your skills, both as a hunter and a marksman, to do so, and to test how the defensive ammo really performs on flesh and blood, instead of "testing" it on JELLO, and HOPING that such performance is what will happen in men's bodies.

A truly capable defensive pocket pistol is about as "capable" of taking deer as is the typical bowhunter. 20m max, and 30 ft being more like it, and probably not with the load that's the optimal defensive load, either. Such loads do NOT exit good sized deer, so there's no blood trail to speak of. From a tree stand, tho, and firing at 10m or less, a GOOD chest hit withsuch loads rarely lets them run far enough to be out of sight when they fall (ie, 100m,tops). So it can be done, but it takes a lot more prep and discipline than 99% of hunter-shottists can ever put-together.

 

[RIKA]

This deer season, I will probably take a deer with my Colt Combat Commander 45 and probably another with the Ruger Blackhawk 45Colt. Why? Because I want to. If weather works out will probably do pre season scouting and kill some hogs with the handgun also. Not all handgunning is about combat hut I do want to see how my loads will work.

RIKA

 

[Aslan]

Hunting is not a surrogate for combat. You really should take an anthropology class or two, and probably a few others. Hunting is a surrogate for hunting. We are predators. (canine teeth, incisors, binoccular vison)

The meat harvested from a hunt is not necesarily expensive.

You are the one who is hung up over combat. If we wished for combat, we could be doing paint ball instead.

Your plans always focus on starting combat (ambushes to steal supplies), most peoples plans are about avoiding combat is possible.

Look in the mirror - seek help

:devil:

 

[John in AR]

Don't "have" to, I just like to. Like watching tv or shooting balloons with the suppressed CAR-15 with the .22 unit; I just enjoy it.

...it's a VERY expensive and inefficient way to get lots of meat, for instance..

Inefficient, probably true, when it can be bought conveniently most anywhere. But it's really not all that "expensive", for some of us, at least. Some guys join clubs, rent leases, travel to other areas or even other states, etc. That has got to be very expensive; never done that myself. (Remember that one time I posted a pic of me & my boys with a deer I took a couple years ago? That deer was taken literally within 10-15 minutes of walking out the front door, towards the pond. Not 300 yards from the house.)

I hunt on private, family-owned property. My resident Arkansas hunting license costs $10 for one deer, and $25 for three deer and one bear. Either one also covers small game (squirrel, rabbit, etc). Already own the gun, vest, etc, so only other monetary outlay is ammo, and maybe a dime's worth of gas in the four-wheeler.

Ten dollar license and one or two rounds of ammo (figure worst-case; $1 each if using .454 factory ammo) will get 20-30 pounds of meat from one deer, plus numerous small "pot" animals. I don't mind the time spent, as it's an activity I enjoy anyway, so "my time being worth something" isn't an isue for me either. Cash cost is something like 30-50 cents per pound; not bad at all.

If willing to gamble the extra $15 (which I do), I can potentially take triple the deer meat (never yet have taken more than one a year, tho), PLUS a bear, which is the real reason I buy that license. (Have yet to spot a bear during season, either) But even if I only take the one deer the $10 license allows, and "waste" the extra $15, it still only makes the venison cost me $1-$1.50 per pound; which is cheaper than "lip-&-hoof" hamburger.

Like I said, some guys do spend a ton of money on hunting, but not all of us.

(Now you've done it. Got me thinking about hunting season, using my new suppressor... :dgrin: )

 

[DJetAce]

Nobody has to listen to gunkid either. They do out of amusement, just as most hunters hunt for the enjoyment of the hunt. Enjoyment of the hunt, stup*kid. You are the amusement.

 

[Teufelhund]

Gunkid Translation:
I have no experience big game hunting, and know I'm so far behind the curve now I could never catch up. This makes me feels awful insecure, because I know that big game hunting is about alot more than just shooting, it's about good field skills, patience and doing the right thing when there is no one watching me. I thought I could go the "poacher" route and that would be pretty cool, but after poaching a few rabbits, I decided it was going to be too much work and that poaching is actually harder than sport hunting. I have pretty well dropped the whole idea of big game hunting at this point.

Teuf,

 

[TM123]

Surrogate for comabat*LMAO* Yeah right, when's the last time a deer,elk,rabbit or hog ever shot back at you melvin?
Your so full of sh1t if ya died and they gave you an enema you could be burried in a small matchbox.

 

[Garand]

I can hardly wait for him to show me a tree stand on the prairies. :laugh01: :laugh01: :laugh01:

 

[Magnum88C]

I dunno, it wasn't that hard taking a deer at 63 yards (lased) with my SBH. About $0.75 for the bullet (270-gr Speer GD, factory). .44 Magnum from a pistol will easily kill deer to 100 yards, .454 out to maybe 200, both with the caveat that you have to be able to properly place the bullet at those ranges, which our resident short bus rider who can't hit past 7 yards couldn't do.

Furthermore if you are doing what you enjoy, you are actually getting paid for your time, through the enjoyment. Our $60 sportmans license covers all hunting, including migratory birds and game reserves, fresh and salt water fishing, all seasons archery, muzzleloader and general gun. That's year round game getting. Some animals like hogs aren't game animals and can be taken anytime. Plus I have the benefit of living in the middle of a bunch of farms, where the farmer like to have people kill the deer that ravage theri fields. I just carry my license, a copy of the farmer's nuisance license and a signed letter that I have his permission to hunt his land. Boom, no problemo, year-round deer season.

Sad thing is, GoonKid could still hunt if he'd get off his lazy ass and learn to bowhunt (and there are plenty of bowhunters in CO, so don't tell me you can't successfully bowhunt there). He'd get outdoors (which he really needs), have a good time, and get some of the asshole rubbed off of him.

 

[mrostov]

Hunting real game is too hard for some poeple. They'd rather just pop some nun in the head with a suppressed .22, get in a bit of gratuitous necrophilia, and then roast the juicy thigh meat over a crackling campfire.

 

[RIKA]

Oh crap Mike. I just blew iced tea all over the keyboard and my notes.

RIKA

 

[Terry G]

Big Game

I don't hunt big game with a pistol, I don't think I'm competent enough to make a killing shot at 80 to a hundred yards. I use my Browning 30/06 or my BSA 7MM. Our distances are just to far for humane kill's with a .44 or .357 Magnum. I really don't want to chase some Whitetail for ten miles while explaning to the land owners that I screwed up. No, I'll use a heavy caliber rifle on 150 to 200 pound Whitetails. The deer that are harvested deserve better than to have me screw up a shot so they can run ten miles, bleeding and hurting. I'm a hunter, but I wan't the game down and dead immediately, not suffering in some cornfield. Just my rant!

 

[Dorobuta]

much less with a handgun,much less big game with a handgun. All hunting is just a surrgate for combat, it's a VERY expensive and inefficient way to get lots of meat, for instance. So the idea that you 'need" a handgun that can take big game is just a joke, basically. If you NEED the meat,then you use a rifle, and you don't CARE about 'seasons", bag limits, rules about gender, age of the animal, using bait, flashlight, etc.

The only reason to take animals with a pistol, really, is to establish confidence in the ability of your load and your skills, both as a hunter and a marksman, to do so, and to test how the defensive ammo really performs on flesh and blood, instead of "testing" it on JELLO, and HOPING that such performance is what will happen in men's bodies.

A truly capable defensive pocket pistol is about as "capable" of taking deer as is the typical bowhunter. 20m max, and 30 ft being more like it, and probably not with the load that's the optimal defensive load, either. Such loads do NOT exit good sized deer, so there's no blood trail to speak of. From a tree stand, tho, and firing at 10m or less, a GOOD chest hit withsuch loads rarely lets them run far enough to be out of sight when they fall (ie, 100m,tops). So it can be done, but it takes a lot more prep and discipline than 99% of hunter-shottists can ever put-together.

where do you get the 20m crap? Come out west and see how bow hunting works here. 20m would be a gift. Most shots here are beyond 30 yards.

Also, good luck with the tree stand, as this puts you out and about in daylight hours. I though you said only stupes would be out during daylight?