[Teufelhund]

Not even a group as tough as the Apaches could "live off the land" when thier SHTF

An intresting account of the Apaches can be found in
"They Rode Like The Wind" by David Roberst

It's an excellent account of the Apache resistance. When you read it you will find that Geronomo surrendered because he couldn't feed himself and they were starving. His small group couldn't steal enough from the remote ranches they were raiding to subsist. Even when he was able to succeed it was at a cost of a man or two, much ammo and effort, they never got away unscathed.

The locals (and Cav) put together hunter/killer groups and ran the Apaches to no end so they couldn't forage either, it didn't take Geronomo long to fingure out he didn't care for that lifestyle and he quit.

Teuf,

 

[andy]

but they didn't have scoped autoriflles

cans and .22 units, nor the knowledge of how or why to LEAVE a given "hot" area, etc. The man who DOES have the above, can make life WAY too miserable, for a VERY large number of men. Far more than are going to bother to chase any ONE guy, post shtf. They wont be ABLE to, even if they WANT to, real bad. They CAN'T just abandon their families, and they wont HAVE the necessary skills and abilities to stay on his trail, long enough to do any good, and they are going to take such heavy casulties that they will QUICKLY get over their cowboy fantasies.

 

[andy]

not every place is as barren of resources

as the Chirachahua's homeland, either. Today, there's easily 1000x as many places to loot. The Pache were also trying to lug along their women and children, and they were unwilling to eat human flesh. So there's really no comparison at all.

 

[Teufelhund]

Supressed rifle or not

A 50 plus year old man with no real outdoor experience isn't going to be much trouble to deal with. He is going to be good for maybe 10 miles a night with an easy to follow trail. When it starts getting light he will have to hide. You don't have to over run him, just keep the the presure on from a distance. He's going to run out of water prettty damm fast when he can't stop to boil it even if he is lucky to find it.

You are really goofed up if you don't think locals won't have a way of dealing with such folks. The mormons had there own hit squad that ran down the indians and crooks that messed with thier remote settlements, it worked really well. The Wyoming Stockgrowers Association was formed specifically to fund and supply men to run down and kill "rustlers" and anyone else that conflicted with thier intrest.

Folks will be playing for keeps and one old guy with a backpack is not going to get in thier way.

Teuf,

 

[andy]

u r 1 dumbass if u think I dont have PLENTY

of experienc.e I've PROVEN it's 20miles a night, and you aint going to press at ALL once a few of you get silently SHOT. a water filter is a mere .5 lb,too, dummy.

 

[andy]

u couldn't track meup the mountain I live

on, either. Not in the time it would take me to be on ANOTHER mountain,20 miles away. That's IF I did'nt ambush you, which of course I would.

 

[andy]

Apaches had no CLUE how to use a rifle

really, just like 3rd worlders dont still today. They had no scopes, no rapidfire, no silencers, no 22 unit, no lightweight, super effective trail gear. they HAD to use horses, basically, to haul their families and heavy, bulky gear around. That made them 100x as easy to follow. They were tracked by other INDIANS, whicy you AINT, and you don't HAVE AVAILABLE, either.

 

[Guest]

Stupe, how you doing this 20 miles when you don't even do 1/2 day campouts? And how you do this up and down mountians when you have a bad back? Stupes like you dream of how bad-ass they are, but their talk far exceeds their walk.

 

[Teufelhund]

JD, you are kidding yourself

You have never made 20 miles a night, in the dark, in unfamilar backcountry with a 50 lbs pack.

Apparently you don't realize that the Calvary spent a good part of thier time protecting the indians from the locals. Had the indian problem been in the hands of locals, they would have been slaughtered. If it were not for the protection of the justice system today, the prisons would be far less crowded as citizens delt with problems on the spot.

Your trying to put yourself on the same level as an indian raiding party is a hoot.

Teuf,

 

[Garand]

Live the reality! Not the fantasy.

 

[mrostov]

In the last 30 years or so it's been considered cool to glamorize the Indians and put them up on a pedestal.

The 'Native Americans' were a stone age culture and they behaved like one. They lived a normally short, harsh, brutal life,they had a very high infant mortality rate, and their main hobby was raiding their neighbors, killing, raping, kidnapping, torturing, enslaving, etc. In many tribes you just weren't fully a man until you killed someone.

When the Indians encountered the White man. They tried to treat the Whites like they treated their old neighbors, and they got their asses utterly and totally kicked (we took away their scalping knives and they are still whining about it).

Now, for some successful raiders, look at the Vikings. They kicked ass and took names. They were truly feared. Their deeds and culture really make the Indians look like the backwards, ignorant, savage primitives that they were.

But, take note: But, the Viking seldom, if ever, raided alone.

 

[Magnum88C]

But, take note: But, the Viking seldom, if ever, raided alone.

But they were also very skilled, well-armed, and very strong. They weren't afraid to carry a heavy load if they had to and weren't afraid to attack in bad weather.


'Course if GK wants to live the Indian fantasy, I guess it's better for us to live the Cowboy fantasy eh?

 

[Teufelhund]

Not quite true Mag

He's much better than the indians where.
:roflmao1: :roflmao1:

Teuf,

 

[Magnum88C]

I wouldn't put money on it.

The indians at least were smart enough to leave their non fighting gear back at camp instead of lugging it into a fight, and they were also smart enough to work together.

He doesn't even seem to have these concepts down yet.:dgrin:

 

[andy]

go ahead, stupe, THINK that Uncle will

replace that gear that you stupidly left laying someplace, and you CAN'T get it back. I'm 100x as able to get things done as is some ignorant savage. That should come as no surprise to anybody who knows jack <font color=red>[**censored**]</font> about the subject.

 

[Clint Boyer]

HA!

The "savages" lived it every day, it was a way of life for them. You just day dream about it!

 

[TODD 3465]

Oh gawd this is one of the funniest ones I've read here yet.

I can see it now: Chief GK of the Fukawe Tribe.

 

[RIKA]

Ugh. Him ***** name toedungone.

RIKA (***** maiden)

 

[Dorobuta]

This thread made me spill my coffee - my wife is wondering why I’m laughing so hard.

Andy / Boati, you are a funny man! I know you don’t mean to be, but some of your posts are hilarious!

 

[John in AR]

Know what you mean. I didn't even like the movie Napoleon Dynamite, but I'm constantly getting these "Uncle Rico" visions.