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What's on everyone's list?

Potentially very good timing for me; our biggest gunshow of the year is next weekend. You just know it'll be loaded with people looking for things they couldn't buy last week.

I suspect it'll be too soon to see much in the way of bargains, though, with the possible exception of (formerly) "LEO" magazines. Dealers are still sitting on things they paid too much for, and aren't likely to want to part with them too cheaply yet.

What's first up on everyone's "New Freedom" list?
 

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Nothing much. I've already got most of the pre-ban stuff I want, bought it before anyone ever heard of Bill Klinton.

Although I might finally buy a 9mm, when I can get those 18 round magazines cheap. Maybe another FAL with all the goodies. Maybe an M1A when the magazines don't cost $70 anymore. . .
 

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the C-BETA

mags for a.r.type rifle!



thanks.
 

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20 round mags for the FN FiveseveN

12 round mags for the Steyr M40s and Steyr M357s

Wouldn't mind another Beta-C mag is prices drop down to what LEOs only had to pay for them.

Now here's a question for you: Can the post ban guns now be modified to pre-ban specs? Things like the Steyr USR having that funky thumbhole stock replaced with a real AUG stock?

And I REALLY want to see a semi-auto version of the FN P-90 become available for that 5.7x28mm round.
 

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Rich Z said:
...Now here's a question for you: Can the post ban guns now be modified to pre-ban specs? Things like the Steyr USR having that funky thumbhole stock replaced with a real AUG stock?...
Yes, assuming no state or local prohibitions.


http://www.atf.gov/firearms/saw-factsheet.htm


U.S. Department of Justice

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms and Explosives




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Washington, DC 20226



CHANGES IN FEDERAL LAW AS OF SEPTEMBER 13, 2004
RELATING TO
SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS (SAWs)

AND

LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES (LCAFDs)


GENERAL

As of September 13, 2004, the provisions of Public Law 103-322, the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, covering semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices are no longer in effect. The regulations implementing these provisions also are no longer in effect.

Specifically, there is no longer a Federal prohibition on the manufacture, transfer, and possession of semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices. {Emphasis added - John}

There are no longer any marking requirements for semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices. Existing markings on firearms and magazines relating to law enforcement or government use may be disregarded.

There is no longer any Federal requirement for Federal firearms licensees to obtain certain documentation before transferring semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices to government agencies or law enforcement officers. However, any records obtained prior to September 13, 1994, pertaining to the sale or transfer of semiautomatic assault weapons must still be retained for a period of 5 years. See 27 CFR § 478.129(f). Moreover, records of importation and manufacture must be maintained permanently and licensees must maintain all other acquisition and disposition records for 20 years.

Licensees who provided letters of future intent to sell semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices to law enforcement agencies and other qualified customers are no longer obligated to comply with such letters.

Anyone who illegally possessed, manufactured, or transferred semiautomatic assault weapons or large capacity ammunition feeding devices before the bans sunset still have violated the law since their possession, manufacture, or transfer was illegal at the time.


IMPORTATION

The prohibition on the importation of non-sporting firearms under 18 U.S.C. section 922(l) and 925(d)(3) still applies.

Importation of large capacity ammunition feeding devices still is covered under the Arms Export Control Act. Therefore an approved permit still is required to import large capacity magazines.

Temporary importation of semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity magazines is now lawful under the provisions of 27 CFR § 478.115(d) because temporary importations are not subject to the sporting purpose test.

Any importer who has a valid approved Form 6 import permit with a restriction related to the assault weapon ban should comply with the restriction because the weapons most likely are non-sporting.

Any importer who has a valid approved Form 6 import permit with a restriction related to large capacity ammunition feeding devices may disregard the restriction. Importers may apply for a new permit if they prefer.

ASSEMBLY OF NON-SPORTING SHOTGUNS AND SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLES FROM IMPORTED PARTS

The prohibition on assembly of non-sporting shotguns and semiautomatic rifles from imported parts as provided under 18 U.S.C. § 922(r) and 27 CFR § 478.39 still applies.

LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS

Law enforcement officers and police departments who obtained semiautomatic assault weapons are no longer required to use such firearms only for official use.

Law enforcement officers and police departments may now sell or transfer semiautomatic assault weapons to persons who are not prohibited from receiving firearms.

Law enforcement officers and police departments may now sell or transfer large capacity ammunition feeding devices to anybody.

Signed statements that semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices will be used for official use are no longer required to be provided to Federal firearms licensees.

RETIRED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS

Federal law does not prohibit retiring law enforcement officers from keeping semiautomatic assault weapons or large capacity ammunition feeding devices.

Former law enforcement officers who received semiautomatic assault weapons on retirement may now transfer those firearms to persons who are not prohibited from receiving firearms. Transfer of large capacity ammunition feeding devices is no longer restricted.

NATIONAL FIREARMS ACT

All provisions of the National Firearms Act relating to registration and transfer of machineguns, short barreled rifles, weapons made from rifles, short barreled shotguns, weapons made from shotguns, any other weapons as defined in Title 26 U.S.C. section 5845(e), silencers, and destructive devices still apply.

Registered silencers can now be attached to semiautomatic rifles and pistols without creating a prohibited semiautomatic assault weapon.

USAS-12 and Striker12/Streetsweeper shotguns are still classified as destructive devices under ATF Rulings 94-1 and 94-2 and must be possessed and transferred in accordance with the NFA.

EFFECT ON STATE LAW

Expiration of the Federal law will not change any provisions of State law or local ordinances. Questions concerning State assault weapons restrictions should be referred to State and local authorities.

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My thing is magazines, primarily Ciener and probably some 10-22 even though I rarely shoot that gun anymore. Likely some more AR mags as well; have a fair number, but some NIB ones would be nice to "set back" for someday.

Possibly another AR or CAR. Now that those "rare, expensive, desirable pre-bans" are now just "a used gun at least ten years old", there may be some exceptional bargains to be found in the paper. :)

(FWIW, I firmly believe this is only a temporary reprieve. I don't believe the outcome of this election will have an effect on the direction we're travelling; just the speed at which we're travelling it. Then again, I could be wrong. I didn't believe the AWB would be allowed to sunset, either, so my fortune-telling track record is weak. :unhappy: )
 
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