5 lbs of pistols, .5 lb of spare mags,1 lb of ammo (230gr .45's are 22 to the lb) about a lb of holsters and mag pouches. 9 lb M1A or Fal, a lb of scope, a lb of mount, a lb of bipod. 2 lbs of spare mags (4) 160 rds of 175 gr smk match ammo 10 lbs, a 31 lb total. The noise of the 308 is going to make you NEED more rds than the user of the canned 223, ya see. SO is missing a lot at long range, and trying to shoot thru "cover". 308's not concealable, the rd's neither the GI rifle rd, nor the most commonly available rd. Trying to use a 308 with one hand sucks, too. With a fully capable can on the 308,such one hand use is out of the question. The .22 pistol's not ccw- capable, nor is it as accurate or easy to use well as is the .22 AR unit.
The SCOPED, canned CAR, with .22 unit,is a LOT more likely to score animals, in the usual conditions of dawn,dusk,or thick,dark woods than is the iron sighted .22 pistol. Put a scope on the pistol, and it's heavier,bulkier, and MUCH slower to use. The canned .22 pistol is of NO value in training with the rifle. The .22 unit for the AR is of MAJOR utility in training for the 223.
finding a place on the BELT,or the pack harness,etc,for BOTH big pistols, sucks. You CAN'T conceal them both, and have them ready for quick access,while wearing apack. The only way to do so for the 1911 is to wear it in a top-access fanny pack,at your navel. You r a LOT more likely to "shed' the 1911,in a moment of fatique, etc, than I am to take the pocket 9 out of pocket and leave it laying someplace, JUST out of reach, too.
You need bore cleaning gear,LOTS moreof it than I do,(because you "think" you are going to do lots of long range bs) andyou have no "backup" parts,if your rifle takes a hit from a bullet, a fall, etc. I can quite possibly either still use the .22 unit,or take a part from some dead guy's AR or M16. You dont have even 10% as much hope of finding another FAL or M1A-M14,(OR 308 ammo,much lessMATCH ammo) and you know it. Since you have to carry more ammo, etc,and a can for the 308 is twice as big and heavy as a can for the AR (if both are as capable of handling rapidfire with full charge ammo) you basically have to carry 16-20 lbs more gear than does the guy with the canned CAR-15 and .22 unit. A 50 lb total load is already so much that you have to be Olympically fit in order to fight with it, day after day. The SAS thinks 40 lbs is the max wt for such scenarios, actually, and no, you aint even CLOSE to being SAS-fit.
The pocket 9, pants pocket holster, canned M21, (carried in thigh pocket of cammies) spare mags, centerfire ammo, total 40 ozs. Concealed all the time, while wearing a pack. No more role than the pistol can or should have, shtf, such a pair of pocket pistols are the most wt and bulk worth bothering-with. The total wt of CAR,can, mags, scope, bipod, .22 unit, pistols, spare bolt for 223, cleaning gear,etc, is under 16 lbs. For no more than can or should be done with firearms, post shtf, that's plenty enough bulk andwt to have to lug around.
Once inside the "cache circle", it will be possible, advisable, to cache 10-15 lbs of the BOB gear, and you will doubtless have shed, or will shed, as much or more in the way of body-fat, and get really "hardened in" to the horrors of shtf "life".
Given a mountian bicyle, you can cover a lot of pretty bad terrain,in a fairly short time period, even at night, with a 50lb load of guns, armor,gear, if you are truly fit. As in 100 miles in a week, at NIGHT. If even half of the terrain is pavement, or open, flat ground, you can double that, while being a lot more discrete than can any bozo trying to do the same thing, with a 4wd.
The SCOPED, canned CAR, with .22 unit,is a LOT more likely to score animals, in the usual conditions of dawn,dusk,or thick,dark woods than is the iron sighted .22 pistol. Put a scope on the pistol, and it's heavier,bulkier, and MUCH slower to use. The canned .22 pistol is of NO value in training with the rifle. The .22 unit for the AR is of MAJOR utility in training for the 223.
finding a place on the BELT,or the pack harness,etc,for BOTH big pistols, sucks. You CAN'T conceal them both, and have them ready for quick access,while wearing apack. The only way to do so for the 1911 is to wear it in a top-access fanny pack,at your navel. You r a LOT more likely to "shed' the 1911,in a moment of fatique, etc, than I am to take the pocket 9 out of pocket and leave it laying someplace, JUST out of reach, too.
You need bore cleaning gear,LOTS moreof it than I do,(because you "think" you are going to do lots of long range bs) andyou have no "backup" parts,if your rifle takes a hit from a bullet, a fall, etc. I can quite possibly either still use the .22 unit,or take a part from some dead guy's AR or M16. You dont have even 10% as much hope of finding another FAL or M1A-M14,(OR 308 ammo,much lessMATCH ammo) and you know it. Since you have to carry more ammo, etc,and a can for the 308 is twice as big and heavy as a can for the AR (if both are as capable of handling rapidfire with full charge ammo) you basically have to carry 16-20 lbs more gear than does the guy with the canned CAR-15 and .22 unit. A 50 lb total load is already so much that you have to be Olympically fit in order to fight with it, day after day. The SAS thinks 40 lbs is the max wt for such scenarios, actually, and no, you aint even CLOSE to being SAS-fit.
The pocket 9, pants pocket holster, canned M21, (carried in thigh pocket of cammies) spare mags, centerfire ammo, total 40 ozs. Concealed all the time, while wearing a pack. No more role than the pistol can or should have, shtf, such a pair of pocket pistols are the most wt and bulk worth bothering-with. The total wt of CAR,can, mags, scope, bipod, .22 unit, pistols, spare bolt for 223, cleaning gear,etc, is under 16 lbs. For no more than can or should be done with firearms, post shtf, that's plenty enough bulk andwt to have to lug around.
Once inside the "cache circle", it will be possible, advisable, to cache 10-15 lbs of the BOB gear, and you will doubtless have shed, or will shed, as much or more in the way of body-fat, and get really "hardened in" to the horrors of shtf "life".
Given a mountian bicyle, you can cover a lot of pretty bad terrain,in a fairly short time period, even at night, with a 50lb load of guns, armor,gear, if you are truly fit. As in 100 miles in a week, at NIGHT. If even half of the terrain is pavement, or open, flat ground, you can double that, while being a lot more discrete than can any bozo trying to do the same thing, with a 4wd.