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Does anybody own one of these or have any first-hand knowledge about them? Would you buy one? Why or why not?


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I wouldn't. No reason to get one over the AR ,and the AR has lots of goodies that the M17 doesn't, like a .22 unit, removable carrying handle, return to zero scope base,see thru scope mount, luminous sights, drop in trigger job, ambi safety, match barrels available, 10", 11" barrels available (with threaded muzzle) If the M17 is the rifle I think it is, (bullpup stock) can't fire it from the weak shoulder, etc, etc. Probably a lot of the parts aint GI, etc. What you got against the AR? Believe me, it's WORTH the extra $200 or so. Get a Rock River lower, $100 on Guns America, Pay a dealer $20 to get it, $10 shipping, and $10 tax. Get a $400 parts kit from Model One sales, some GI 30 rd mags ($20 each) and you will be a LOT happier than you will be with even a $300 M17. The Model One upper comes already assembled and testfired, and assembling an AR lower is about like fixing a flat tire on a bicycle. A little bit more involved than tying your shoes, but even garnad probably knows SOMEBODY who can do it. :)
 

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I wouldn't get one (no first hand knowledge of that model BTW) simply because I think the ergonomics of bullpups suck. But if you NEED to be able to do CQB with a rifle, then it'd be head and shoulders above a 10" POS.
 

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A friend of mine has one and I've shot it quite a bit. He took the carry/handle sight base off and added a rail and his is Aimpoint sighted with flip-up, back-up sights. It's pretty slick like that. The original mount was kind of cheesy and the factory sights in it flat suck beyond pistol ranges.

I have never seen it malfunction and it really doesn't handle bad, the trigger is kind of heavy on account of the long transfer bar, but it's rather accurate and of course it's rather short for it's barrel length. They are heavier than a LW Car15 though and I wouldn't want an AR without a .22 con.

I'm rather "invested" in AR's so I'm not really all that intrested in them. Next time we shoot together I will try and get some pics next to my LW CAR15. It would be rather short with a suppressor on it and still have good barrel legnth, if that consideration was the center of my universe I would consider a M17s for that reason.

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All bullpups have poor handling qualities, poor trigger pulls, and inability to fire from either shoulder. Firing right handed, around the left side of cover, is a stupid thing to force yourself to be doing.
 

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How do you know?

andy said:
All bullpups have poor handling qualities, poor trigger pulls, and inability to fire from either shoulder. Firing right handed, around the left side of cover, is a stupid thing to force yourself to be doing.
Have you shot "all" bullpups?

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The bullpup's biggest disadvantage in CQB is when changing mags. They are kind of un-ergonomic for that and mag changes is usually when you are the most vulnerable.

The Aussies use the AUG, but word is they are toying with switching to the M4. The same goes with the Brits who are considering dropping the bullpup IW (SA-80), a rifle even HK couldn't fix, and going with the M4.

The new 5.8mm Chinese combat rifle, SAW, and sniper rifle, are all varients of the same bullpup weapons system.

The Indian Army, after the failure of their 5.56mm INSAS rifle (a homegrown Indian hybrid screwup of the otherwise fine AK and FAL), recently began deploying whole units with the 5.56mm Israeli designed and built IMI Tavor up in the recent fighting in the harsh climates of the Siachen Glacier. After trying out many rifles, with mixed results, the Tavor has been rated quite favorably by the Indian troops for combat at ridiculously high altitudes and extreme cold weather while fighting over worthless terrain.
 

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The bullpup's biggest disadvantage in CQB is when changing mags. They are kind of un-ergonomic for that and mag changes is usually when you are the most vulnerable.

The Aussies use the AUG, but word is they are toying with switching to the M4. The same goes with the Brits who are considering dropping the bullpup IW (SA-80), a rifle even HK couldn't fix, and going with the M4.

The Indian Army, after the failure of their 5.56mm INSAS rifle (a home grown Indian hybrid of the AK and FAL), recently began deploying whole units with the 5.56mm Israeli designed and built IMI Tavor up in the recent fighting in the harsh climates of the Siachen Glacier. After trying out many rifles, with mixed results, the Tavor has been rated quite favorably by the Indian troops for combat at ridiculously high altitudes and extreme cold weather while fighting over worthless terrain (17 years of combat at +18,000ft).
 

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The bullpup's biggest disadvantage in CQB is when changing mags. They are kind of un-ergonomic for that and mag changes is usually when you are the most vulnerable.

The Aussies use the AUG, but word is they are toying with switching to the M4. The same goes with the Brits who are considering dropping the bullpup IW (SA-80), a rifle even HK couldn't fix, and going with the M4.

The Indian Army, after the failure of their 5.56mm INSAS rifle (a home grown Indian hybrid of the AK and FAL), recently began deploying whole units with the 5.56mm Israeli designed and built IMI Tavor up in the recent fighting in the harsh climates of the Siachen Glacier. After trying out many rifles, with mixed results, the Tavor has been rated quite favorably by the Indian troops for combat at ridiculously high altitudes and extreme cold weather while fighting over worthless terrain (17 years of combat at +18,000ft, with some positions at +21,000ft).
 

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The bullpup's biggest disadvantage in CQB is when changing mags. They are kind of un-ergonomic for that and mag changes is usually when you are the most vulnerable.

The Aussies use the AUG, but word is they are toying with switching to the M4. The same goes with the Brits who are considering dropping the bullpup IW (SA-80), a rifle even HK couldn't fix, and going with the M4.

The Indian Army, after the failure of their 5.56mm INSAS rifle (a homegrown Indian hybrid of the AK and FAL), recently began deploying whole units with the 5.56mm Israeli designed and built IMI Tavor up in the recent fighting in the harsh climates of the Siachen Glacier. After trying out many rifles, with mixed results, the Tavor has been rated quite favorably by the Indian troops for combat at ridiculously high altitudes and extreme cold weather while fighting over worthless terrain (17 years of combat at +18,000ft, with some positions at +21,000ft).
 

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I had a Bushy M17S. I sold it years ago. It was accurate and completely reliable.

The downsides were the ergonomics. The sights were high above the bore and suited to emergency use only. Scopes sat ridiculously high above the bore on the carry handle and the carry handle wiggled about. The charging handle had a long, thin metal cover that was always getting bent. Despite the wonnderful accuracy, you needed two friends and a mule to help pull the heavy trigger.

Bushy's customer service was splendid though.
 

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there's no such thing as "wonderful accuracy" with a bad trigger pull. Such crap is only possible from a sandbagged bench rest, which has NOTHING at all to do with field shooting
 

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fukk u, punk, ANYBODY can contact the guys I mentioned,and ASK them about my proven speed. You are a fukking liar. You'd like to CLAIM that sandbagged bench rest shooting has ANYTHING to do with field shooting, I suppose? You are just a lame assed punk.
 

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not without a can on it, or electronic ear protection it wouldn't. why bother with such a specialized thing, for a job that the pistol can do just as "well"? you ever TRY hitting anything the size of a man, from a moving vehicle? Ambushers are very likely to be using cover, and use some means of slowing-stopping your vehicle.
 

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if u need to swap 30 rd mags, only luck is going to save you. You are either MISSING too much, or have too many enemies, or both.
 

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Hey WANNABE, what a person could do in 1976 (28 years ago) and what you are capable of doing now are 2 different things. Plus the fact, when we do ask, they say you choked during competition!
 
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