[Terry G]

Of course this Club had a No Firearms sign prominently posted, right? I can't think of a more useless idea than these signs. Who, intending to commit a crime, would pay any attention to a sign? This is the same mind set that thinks limiting a firearm to a ten round magazine will stop mass shootings.

 

[nikto]

the signs are intended to keep 'normal" people from carrying guns in there, getting drunk and doing something even dumber (than drinking poison) Hard to imagine anything dumber, unless it's inhaling toxins, like smoke.

 

[Terry G]

the signs are intended to keep 'normal" people from carrying guns in there, getting drunk and doing something even dumber (than drinking poison) Hard to imagine anything dumber, unless it's inhaling toxins, like smoke.

Or ingesting Cocaine?

 

[nikto]

any toxin. Never used a microgram of it. I"m much too tight with a dollar to spend $40 (in today's money) on a 10 minute high

 

[Garand]

Apparently the shooter was a repeat visitor to the club. Maybe daddy found out and the shooter was trying to atone for his sins against Islam?

 

[BigEd63]

Or he was casing the place out/recon before the attack. Or, both investigation is only a couple days old.

 

[nikto]

saw a tv show, teaching you what to "do" in such a situation. Everything BUT throw shoes, snatch up chairs, and beat the mofo to death.

 

[Terry G]

any toxin. Never used a microgram of it. I"m much too tight with a dollar to spend $40 (in today's money) on a 10 minute high

Strange coming from a convicted and self admitted drug dealer.

 

[DaRkWoLf]

Then there's lawful carry. In Florida, "No Firearms" signs don't mean anything. There is no legal repercussion for them except being denied service (even then, there are some instances where Florida courts have deemed such to be a crime against a patron), except for federal buildings, schools, and places that derive the majority of their income from liquor sales.

People drink and often consume drugs at nightclubs. Water is wet, who knew... It's also generally a bad idea to consume intoxicants and handle firearms. Going to such a venue is a choice favoring one type of activity instead of another.

Unlike many other cities, Orlando's club scene is very lax with security. It's not like Miami, at least with most Orlando venues, where getting in is tantamount to airport screening.

This created a soft target.

 

[John in AR]

If just one person had been both sober and armed, they could have stopped the motard early on. But self-defense is seen as icky and ugly in modern society, as it shows a tendency toward individualism and lack of group-think.

The herd is obsessed with claiming "freedom", without acknowledging that freedom is a product of "independence". (Notice that in 1776, it wasn't a "Declaration of Freedom", it was a "Declaration of We're Not Dependent on You"...)

As long as that truth is ignored and people want to claim some nebulous form of freedom while still claiming their right to dependence (dependence on others for safety, for sustenance, whatever), that hypocrisy will continue to cause social angst and anger. No way around it, absence of integrity (ie, "wholeness") inherently invites chaos.

any toxin. Never used a microgram of it...

How does that jive with taking hypnotics (ambien) and antidepressants (trazodone) on a regular basis; or "how to not get caught for indulging", for that matter..?

 

[Terry G]

Because it's "forget what I posted yesterday, just take what I say today as Gospel."

 

[nikto]

indulging as in SALES, John. I have to have the prescribed meds to function. Some sort of inherited thing, all my brothers had it, too. 1-2 hours of sleep, every second night, dont cut it.

 

[John in AR]

I grew up with alcoholics, and never encountered anyone who equated bartending with "indulging".

The people refilling the teriyaki chicken at a chinese buffet aren't "indulging".

English - it's an actual language, where words have meanings.

 

[nikto]

the level of ruthlessness and skill needed to make the difference in such situations is far, FAR beyond what most cops have, much less the typical ccw guy. The COPS probably hit most of those people. They fired hundreds of rds on full auto, in an area with 30+ hostages! Chickenshyte and inept, are the only words for them. Rifle armor, shields, SHOULD have flashbangs, smoke, smoke grenades (dunno if they did) got the guy outnumbered 10 to 1, supposedly your "swat" guys, and still panic-stricken wild firing, for MINUTES

 

[DaRkWoLf]

the level of ruthlessness and skill needed to make the difference in such situations is far, FAR beyond what most cops have, much less the typical ccw guy. The COPS probably hit most of those people. They fired hundreds of rds on full auto, in an area with 30+ hostages! Chickenshyte and inept, are the only words for them. Rifle armor, shields, SHOULD have flashbangs, smoke, smoke grenades (dunno if they did) got the guy outnumbered 10 to 1, supposedly your "swat" guys, and still panic-stricken wild firing, for MINUTES

You clearly have no idea what's in Orange County Sheriff's and Orlando PD's inventory nor their tactics.

 

[nikto]

I saw the tape about what they DID. screw what they've got.