anybody can LOOK at a 1911, as the slide is gently pushed back, and see that the slide has to go back further to cock the hammer than it has to just to load a new round. Obviously ejection has to occur before feeding. Also, the issue here was a .22 blowback auto, and blowbacks will extract WITHOUT an extractor, if the round fires, and the chamber is properly shaped and polished. The extractor on such a gun is mainly present only for extracting live rds. Witness the Beretta tip up autopistols, which have NO extractors at all.
Please help us answer this...
Can anyone here eject an empty case and chamber a fresh round WITHOUT cocking the hammer of a 1911, 10/22, Mini-14, CAR-15, or other popular hammer equipped auto?andy said:bs, you are fos. MOST autos eject and chamber with a shorter bolt stroke than will cock the hammer.
Most hammer equipped auto's have the hammer behind the bolt. As the bolt moves rearward it cocks the hammer past the cock notch. When the bolt returns forward the hammer rotates slightly forward until the sear engages the hammer's cock notch.
Maybe 1911sr or RIKA will be kind enough to explain this to andy.
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"anybody can LOOK at a 1911, as the slide is gently pushed back, and see that the slide has to go back further to cock the hammer than it has to just to load a new round. "
I just checked the extraction/ejection/cocking cycle on my Series 70 Colt 1911. When the slide is moved rearward, the hammer is fully cocked at the point where the ejection port is HALF open. At this full cock point it is impossible to either eject an empty case or chamber the next loaded cartridge. Melvin is FOS and totally ignorant of what he speaks.
Now notice the smokescreen. Melvin knows he is lying so he tries to change the subject. "Obviously ejection has to occur before feeding. Also, the issue here was a .22 blowback auto, and blowbacks will extract WITHOUT an extractor ..."
Caught in a lie, he cleverly tries to change the subject to extraction and ejection.
Sorry Melvin, you're caught in another lie.
We win. You lose. Just like always.
RIKA
I just checked the extraction/ejection/cocking cycle on my Series 70 Colt 1911. When the slide is moved rearward, the hammer is fully cocked at the point where the ejection port is HALF open. At this full cock point it is impossible to either eject an empty case or chamber the next loaded cartridge. Melvin is FOS and totally ignorant of what he speaks.
Now notice the smokescreen. Melvin knows he is lying so he tries to change the subject. "Obviously ejection has to occur before feeding. Also, the issue here was a .22 blowback auto, and blowbacks will extract WITHOUT an extractor ..."
Caught in a lie, he cleverly tries to change the subject to extraction and ejection.
Sorry Melvin, you're caught in another lie.
We win. You lose. Just like always.
RIKA
You really don't think that he was actually clever do you? LOLRaider said:Caught in a lie, he cleverly tries to change the subject to extraction and ejection.
No Glenn, I don't. Sarcasm.Glenn Bartley said:You really don't think that he was actually clever do you? LOL
I also tested GK's theory on the 10-22. The bolt with fired case moves back about 1/2in before cocking the hammer. In my test, the front of the fired case was about 1/8in behind the breechface when the hammer cocked so in theory the case could have been ejected. However, the bolt would would have to move back 5/8in+ more before stripping another ctg from the mag. At this point the hammer would have been cocked without question.
More BS from the gumkid.
RIKA
I knew you were not serious.
As for the BS I guess it is part of his psyche. I just wish he would be civil about his post, and I could over look the BS and have some interesting if not amusing discussions.
All the best,
Glenn B
As for the BS I guess it is part of his psyche. I just wish he would be civil about his post, and I could over look the BS and have some interesting if not amusing discussions.
All the best,
Glenn B
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