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first couple of nights of shtf. Jerk the meat, and cache your food after the fact, and just hole up. You'll be good for at least 6 months on what you got the first 2 nights. Add in some fish, dogs, cats, small game (the first 1-2 months of shtf, and be very studious about avoiding people, and you will be a lot better off than fools who want to haul a ton of stuff when they bugout in their suv's or PU trucks. Somebody else will have that stuff, and the original owners will be dead. Roadblocks and ambushes will be commonplace. so will teams of bandits roaming the countryside, looking for loot, and no, guys will not abandon their families to form possees to chase such guys, either. They'd either get killed, or their families would get raided while they were out chasing their tails.

almost nobody in the lower 48 states has to move more than 30 miles to access livestock and grain-feed. one night on a mountain bike. Lots of graneries and feedstores right IN towns, ya know. Same with stockyards. So you have to put a front quarter of a beef, or horse or 2 quarters of a sheep or a goat on your A frame and run, so what? You can do that, and slice-jerk it later.

You can circle around after setting up to jerk the meat, and ambush your backtrail. with bug netting and salt, you can gather up the half dried food each evening, and move 10 miles or more. That's two trips, one with the food, one with your gear, if you don't have a bicycle to help you carry the weight.

You don't necessarily have to shoot anybody to accomplish this. They'll be holed up in their little house, waiting to be burned out, not chasing livestock all over their land. They aint GOT the feed to keep the cattle, etc, at the barn, you know. one cow can easily eat an entire bale of hay per day. They can also eat 5 gallons of grain. If you don't feed them quite heavily, they quickly revert to skin and bones. There's a reason why ranchers use PASTURES for most of their stock's feeding.

It aint that hard to silently .22 some dogs, or leave broken glass meatballs for them, etc. All this "mantrapping" and "sensors" doesn't mean a thing, unless you have trained and equipped men to REACT to the warnings, set up the traps, etc (post shtf, because such are BIG TIME legal trouble until shtf. All that noise and exposure, setting mantraps, when the woods are full of desperate, long range riflemen? Ha, that's a real laugh.
 

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first couple of nights of shtf. Jerk the meat, and cache your food after the fact, and just hole up. You'll be good for at least 6 months on what you got the first 2 nights. Add in some fish, dogs, cats, small game (the first 1-2 months of shtf, and be very studious about avoiding people, and you will be a lot better off than fools who want to haul a ton of stuff when they bugout in their suv's or PU trucks. Somebody else will have that stuff, and the original owners will be dead. Roadblocks and ambushes will be commonplace. so will teams of bandits roaming the countryside, looking for loot, and no, guys will not abandon their families to form possees to chase such guys, either. They'd either get killed, or their families would get raided while they were out chasing their tails.

almost nobody in the lower 48 states has to move more than 30 miles to access livestock and grain-feed. one night on a mountain bike. Lots of graneries and feedstores right IN towns, ya know. Same with stockyards. So you have to put a front quarter of a beef, or horse or 2 quarters of a sheep or a goat on your A frame and run, so what? You can do that, and slice-jerk it later.

You can circle around after setting up to jerk the meat, and ambush your backtrail. with bug netting and salt, you can gather up the half dried food each evening, and move 10 miles or more. That's two trips, one with the food, one with your gear, if you don't have a bicycle to help you carry the weight.

You don't necessarily have to shoot anybody to accomplish this. They'll be holed up in their little house, waiting to be burned out, not chasing livestock all over their land. They aint GOT the feed to keep the cattle, etc, at the barn, you know. one cow can easily eat an entire bale of hay per day. They can also eat 5 gallons of grain. If you don't feed them quite heavily, they quickly revert to skin and bones. There's a reason why ranchers use PASTURES for most of their stock's feeding.

It aint that hard to silently .22 some dogs, or leave broken glass meatballs for them, etc. All this "mantrapping" and "sensors" doesn't mean a thing, unless you have trained and equipped men to REACT to the warnings, set up the traps, etc (post shtf, because such are BIG TIME legal trouble until shtf. All that noise and exposure, setting mantraps, when the woods are full of desperate, long range riflemen? Ha, that's a real laugh.
So, there we go with the inconsistincies yet AGAIN, eh? The woods are full of desperate long range riflemen? These are the same long range riflemen who can't hit anything at long range, aren't they? They're the same ones who were never in the Infantry, aren't they? They're also the same ones who don't even have rifles-all they have are shotguns, right? :headbang:
This is why they say telling the truth is so much easier than telling a lie. When you tell the truth, you don't have to remember which lie you told last. :rolleyes:
 

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and the fantasy continues...............................................
 

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Yes, and his endless recycling of the same posts over and over again also continues.
 

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I'd think the "Roving bands of bandits" would be predominatley in the cities and larger towns. I think the countryside would have more people trying to get away from the "Give me a handout" crowds and would be people a) more prepared b) more willing to help those in need (help, but not fully support) and c) stay to themselves and not mindlessly attack those who don't pose a threat.

Just my thinking anyway - after all, who goes to the country to loot when all the TVs are in the city?
 

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pop a cow, get 2 100 lb sacks of grain
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first couple of nights of shtf. Jerk the meat, and cache your food after the fact, and just hole up. You'll be good for at least 6 months on what you got the first 2 nights. Add in some fish, dogs, cats, small game (the first 1-2 months of shtf, and be very studious about avoiding people, and you will be a lot better off than fools who want to haul a ton of stuff when they bugout in their suv's or PU trucks...
Even assuming everything else plays out exactly as you say, it still involves:
-sneak into some farmer’s barn,
-(hopefully) find a couple 100-pound bags of grain laying there,
-sneaking back out of the barn, carrying 200 pounds of loot,
- stashing the loot (somewhere),
-sneaking back to the farm,
-finding a cow,
-stealthily leading the cow somewhere you can work on it,
-killing it,
-butchering it,
-humping the meat away somewhere you have a couple days to jerk a bunch of meat, and
-spend those days jerking and packaging the meat.

Bearing in mind that the objective of all the above is simply to obtain food.


Seems it would be much simpler to just do that food-preparation stuff ahead of time. If the guy’s smart enough to bug out the ‘first couple nights’ of shtf, he could do so whether on foot or in a vehicle; no reason he must be on foot. If he’s smart enough to get out early, no danger of traffic jams, etc; and even if that happened, he could abandon the vehicle any time it seemed prudent, and be no worse off than in your scenario.

Again, same guy, smart enough to get out early; he could carry that load very easily in most any vehicle, and even on some motorcycles.

Seems a lot simpler and a lot safer. No farmer looking for a missing cow or trailing the guy from the cow’s discovered corpse to where the guy spent a couple days preparing the meat, etc. Same low-profile ‘disappearing’, as in your scenario, but without creating the impact (and ripple effects from that impact), on the locals, and eliminates the dependence on the locals for his food supply.

What’s the downside?
 

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Too easy and not involving the adrenaline feeling related to theft. Your idea is much too rational. Folks who go looking for trouble sometimes find it ... bigtime.

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I thought that a load of more than 20 lbs meant you'd hurt your ankle. Or that you couldn't go very far.

I guess if it isn't survival gear then the 200lbs doesn't weigh as much. That must be it.

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You know Aslan, don't take this the wrong way but I think that first sig line of yours: "If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable." applies to Melvin in alot of instances.
 

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I got a news flash for you. Most farmers aint GOT a barn big enough to enclose the entire herd. Nor do they always have enough hay, grain or water to KEEP the cattle near the house. When cattle get thirst or hungry, they get NOISY. All the mooing is going to callin a LOT more of an attack than virtually anyone can handle. If the shtf suddenly, the farmer will have all he can do to grab up SOME of his livestock, and try to get other stuff gathered up. Having a lot of livestock around where your family as at risk is the dumbest thing you could do.

The SMART rancher farmer will just lead off one steer to the dugout-cache area, making the beeve carry the sacks of grain to the cache area, move past that area slaughter it about a mile further on, turn 90 degrees, carry the meat another 1/2 mile, jerk it there, then haul it back to the dugout. Each time, of course, doing the work and travel after dark, while watching the backtrail by day. Take sedatives, sleep late part of night, use a little bit of speed to stay awake during the day. Good idea to have several "sets" of the jerking-strips, all up in a tree out of most critters' reach, covered with bug netting or Cheesecloth, and dipped in salt brine. This not only helps prevent rotting, it keeps the flies from laying their eggs in the meat. Shtf, smoking is out of the question.
 

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Mmm, great idea. steal something of great value, then string yourself out on drugs. Get caught while on the sleeping pills, you're the one being jerked. Get caught on the spped, you'll be shaking so bad even the lenegadry massive flinch will look steady.

Good idea, sparky, keep 'em coming, it makes the ninja-felons that much easeir to sweep up when the time comes.
 

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Now he's a rancher....and smarter than all those who have been doing it all their lives. Cool. Wonder how many cows he has butchered,.....
Now with the .22 unit you would just walk up to the cow,... pop it in the head, it drops like a sack of potato's. Then all the others run away,.... and you are left in the open..... real smart... I forgot,... you are under the cover of darkness..... Then you'll need some light so you can see what you are doing so you don't cut yourself..... Maybe he'd use a black light so it wouldn't be noticed in the cover of darkness in the pitch black night that he is using for conceilment. (as cover protects you from being hit from the objects speeding through the air at you)
What a plan
 

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Fantasyland again?

He keeps pulling stuff out of this "magic" backpack, I see. He must keep a 55-gallon drum in there to soak his beef in the salt-water brine, along with 55 gallons of water and at least 30 pounds of salt. He's one strong mo-fo with his bad back, to be able to carry that around in addition to all his other stuff. :argue:
 

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Actually his stuff is carried in the armored battlebarrow made invisible with ninja stealth technology.

RIKA :)
 

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Ninja stealth technology? I'm imptrssed!
 

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First off I live in the boonies and most farmers have a considerable stash of food and most have dogs, fences, and firearms to protect their stuff.
Second while they maybe occupied post shtf so will you, so why not have all this stuff stashed BEFORE shtf whether in a safe unoccupied place or if your like me at home. I live 15 to 20 miles from the nearest home have a windmill to provide water and electricity, a root cellar full of meat and food, man I tell you the rest of the world could go to hell and I wouldn't notice for a couple of months at least.
 

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first couple of nights of shtf. Jerk the meat, and cache your food after the fact, and just hole up. You'll be good for at least 6 months on what you got the first 2 nights. Add in some fish, dogs, cats, small game (the first 1-2 months of shtf, and be very studious about avoiding people, and you will be a lot better off than fools who want to haul a ton of stuff when they bugout in their suv's or PU trucks. Somebody else will have that stuff, and the original owners will be dead. Roadblocks and ambushes will be commonplace. so will teams of bandits roaming the countryside, looking for loot, and no, guys will not abandon their families to form possees to chase such guys, either. They'd either get killed, or their families would get raided while they were out chasing their tails.

almost nobody in the lower 48 states has to move more than 30 miles to access livestock and grain-feed. one night on a mountain bike. Lots of graneries and feedstores right IN towns, ya know. Same with stockyards. So you have to put a front quarter of a beef, or horse or 2 quarters of a sheep or a goat on your A frame and run, so what? You can do that, and slice-jerk it later.

You can circle around after setting up to jerk the meat, and ambush your backtrail. with bug netting and salt, you can gather up the half dried food each evening, and move 10 miles or more. That's two trips, one with the food, one with your gear, if you don't have a bicycle to help you carry the weight.

You don't necessarily have to shoot anybody to accomplish this. They'll be holed up in their little house, waiting to be burned out, not chasing livestock all over their land. They aint GOT the feed to keep the cattle, etc, at the barn, you know. one cow can easily eat an entire bale of hay per day. They can also eat 5 gallons of grain. If you don't feed them quite heavily, they quickly revert to skin and bones. There's a reason why ranchers use PASTURES for most of their stock's feeding.

It aint that hard to silently .22 some dogs, or leave broken glass meatballs for them, etc. All this "mantrapping" and "sensors" doesn't mean a thing, unless you have trained and equipped men to REACT to the warnings, set up the traps, etc (post shtf, because such are BIG TIME legal trouble until shtf. All that noise and exposure, setting mantraps, when the woods are full of desperate, long range riflemen? Ha, that's a real laugh.
you can put it on your A-Frame and run? You say repeatedly that it is impossible to run with a heavy pack. How much does a front quarter of beef weigh? (Even from a calf) so, which is it? You can run with a heavy pack, or you can’t?

I‘m not going to even bother pointing out the other stupidity in your post....

just goes to show how special you really are.
 

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Yeah back on Patriot Network one guy accused IGMO of being a member of the very special forces aka short bus commandos.
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If the woods are full of long range riflemen, then wouldn’t he be subject to their fire when trying to get the cow? Can’t have it both ways. Then carrying it off, under load and moving slower and noisier, wouldn’t he be even more vulnerable?

there are many flaws with this “well” thought out fantasy
 
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