[RIKA]

I have noticed that some of the military tactics manuals and discussions on other forums recommend using smoke grenades to provide concealment and add confusion to the enemy when you break off from an ambush attack. It seems that a smoke grenade would be a big help for use during the scenarios that we are discussing.

Could you guys please offer your thoughts on the tactical uses of smoke. It seems worthy of discussion.

Thanks

RIKA

 

[andy]

I've long thought it worthy of being

hidden in the van, for use against Big Brother. After shtf, tho, I doubt that its utility justifies the wt and bulk

 

[RIKA]

Didn't some of the gangsters from the 30's have an oil pump connected to the exhaust manifold of their car so they could create smoke when being chased by their enemies?

RIKA

 

[mrostov]

Kurt Saxon in the PMJB talked about having a connection in your exhaust manifold where you spray castor oil into your hot exhaust. Supposedly it works quite well for generating a substantial smoke screen out the back of your vehicle.

There is a naval/marine defensive trick you can try.

Keep some CS or CN canisters/gas grenades handy. IF you get overrun or the attackers get too close (or you lure them in) you don your gas mask and flood your own position with gas. If the deck or floor is an inflammable material, then try and toss the canisters into something steel, like a steel waste can.

Not the most comfortable thing in the world, that crap on your skin, but if you have a mask and they don't, and you're both in the gas, you're in a very good tactical position to kick their ass.

 

[84 C4]

Didn't some of the gangsters from the 30's have an oil pump connected to the exhaust manifold of their car so they could create smoke when being chased by their enemies?

RIKA

I don't know about the Gangsters' cars, but I know that something similar was used on the rum-running boats during prohibition.

 

[Half elf]

A expression we used on active duty was "Pop Smoke, Draw Fire" which translates into if You are sure you are correct GO FOR IT.
The use of smoke in a suprise situation(Oh Schist, who are they) is very limited. but using it as a force multiplier can be done. I used to play OPFOR at the my home station, and we would raid in daylight and throw gas, then return after sundown and throw white smoke then scream GAS, GAS, GAS from in the smoke cloud. The immediate reaction is a drop everything, mask up, and then continue to repel raiders. This response could get You inside the wire about 50% of the time, and only worked once per group. Smoke can also be used to screen a squad crossing a suspected sniper alley, or to cover a withdraw/relocation/reenforcement. In the real world smoke is useable, but not nessescary and can also hurt your forces if they arent well trained in tactics using them.

 

[TODD 3465]

And some of us nasty bastards used to mix dark smoke like Green with CS.:devil:

 

[RIKA]

This is getting more interesting. Any of you combat veterans have any thoughts? I understand that some of the SF and Ranger guys used it in Viet Nam though my Dad says that the companys he was with never used it ... well, except to identify themselves to incoming helicopters.

RIKA

 

[Hard Rock]

Smoke can be tricky... you need the wind to be with you in the deployment, you need to make sure that your enemy you are trying to avoid doesn't have enough firepower to blanket the smoke with random suppressive fire. You also need to be aware that some types of smoke grenades will start fires in the right instances.


As stated, smoke will draw fire until it spreads out. There are methods such as remote detonation to minimize the risk there but will you have the ability to do that?

Is it worth having smoke in your pack? Yes. But it's uses are very limited. It makes a great rescue signal but once you pop the top, you can't put it back for later use...

Mike

 

[RIKA]

Thats the reason for this discussion. I get to learn all this great stuff that girls - and most guys - don't want to know about.

Thanks to all

RIKA

 

[Garand]

There are many pyrotechnics on the open market and in the military that can find themselves useful if the balloon ever goes up. Some items have a shelf life after that the product starts to deteriorate. Make sure its legal to own. After all just think of all the idiots that found themselves in lockdown on 31 December 1999! If the balloon had gone up, they would have had to live off the rats that scurried from cell to cell.

 

[mrostov]

After all just think of all the idiots that found themselves in lockdown on 31 December 1999! If the balloon had gone up, they would have had to live off the rats that scurried from cell to cell.

In 'The Stand', one guy found himself locked up in jail in Phoenix in the summer, everyone was dead, even the guards.

He survived by drinking the water in the toilet and eating pieces off of the guy in the cell next to him - who had died of the super flu.

 

[Guest]

Excellent movie, but the night of 31 Dec 1999, gunkid walked the walk and talked the talk, he was in lockdown. I guess if you want to take the chances of dying behind bars Gunkid can tell you how to be stupid enough to do it.

 

[Terry G]

Smoke

About half of my company carried at least one smoke grenade, for signalling, not concealment. For marking an LZ (landing zone) or bringing fire from gunships or fixed wing aircraft. Example, "Fire 200 meters to the November of my yellow smoke." Or drop your ordnance 200 meters Sierra of the purple smoke.: There were rumours of "Charlie" using captured smoke grenades to bring fire on American troops by using English speaking NVA on captured radios. I personally never heard of this, but who knows? To avoid this many GI's would use terms like the "the Goofy Grape is me, meaning the purple smoke. Or fire fifty meters November of my lemonade, meaning yellow smoke. I never saw or heard of smoke grenades being used for concealment. Artillery used smoke frequently, and it was effective.

 

[Hard Rock]

They used smoke for concealment in the Ardens (sp?) Forest in WW2. The only reason they got away with it was that there was a slight breeze that was blowing towards the enemy lines. It allowed allied troops to move and dig in better positions.

Mike

 

[gripper]

TODD345..you're a rat after my own heart...CS& smoke...AHHH ..the memories.BTW,all of you who may or not know this REMEMBER, a lot of the old cannister type smoke&gas grenades burn pretty hot...leaving possibilities for alternate uses in dry combustible terrain&conditions.Also a bit of a hazard if you're NOT trying to torch some real estate.

 

[Terry G]

TODD345..you're a rat after my own heart...CS& smoke...AHHH ..the memories.BTW,all of you who may or not know this REMEMBER, a lot of the old cannister type smoke&gas grenades burn pretty hot...leaving possibilities for alternate uses in dry combustible terrain&conditions.Also a bit of a hazard if you're NOT trying to torch some real estate.

Absolutely right. I saw an artillery Captain toss a yellow, than decided to move it farther away. OUCH! I didn't laugh. Alright, later I did.