[andy]

is that it's 40+ozs, iron sights, and 11" long. At dusk or dawn, it doesn't have NEARLY the effective range that the 12 oz .22 unit, in the canned, scoped CAR has, and for "normal times", it doesn't offer ANY realistic practice for building RIFLE skills. The canned Ruger takes up so much space on the person (wearing a backpack and carrying a fighting rifle) that it pretty well excludes your ALSO having a powerful belt pistol at hand.

So it makes far more sense to have a powerful POCKET pistol, both for "normal times" defense and shtf, AND a lw, compact, canned .22 pistol, for shtf. The .22 pistol, minus the can of course, can be the "practice" gun for a lot of the pocket pistol skill maintenance, you see. You can leave the threaded barrel whereever you leave the can, naturally.

The .22 unit for the AR serves both theshtf foraging (and silent ambush) roles, AND the "normal times" fun plinker, serious trainer, small game hunting roles. and it does so for a lousy $150., FAR less than the cost of the Ruger pistol, much less the can on same, holster for same, etc. The Ruger's safety and handling don't feel like ANY carry pistol's,and it's naturally unable to function as a pocket pc.

The trigger job, scope, can, ambi safety, luminous sights, short barre, folding stock, see thru mount, cheekpc, etc, done to the CAR, is of course ALSO done to the .22 unit for the CAR,just by swapping out the 223 bolt for the .22 unit. This is a HUGE savings over doing all that to a 10-22, AND to your fighting rifle, or even doing some of it to the Ruger pistol.

 

[84 C4]

is that it's 40+ozs, iron sights, and 11" long. At dusk or dawn, it doesn't have NEARLY the effective range that the 12 oz .22 unit, in the canned, scoped CAR has, and for "normal times", it doesn't offer ANY realistic practice for building RIFLE skills. The canned Ruger takes up so much space on the person (wearing a backpack and carrying a fighting rifle) that it pretty well excludes your ALSO having a powerful belt pistol at hand.

REALLY!? A .22lr target pistol doesn't have the effective range of a .22lr rifle? WoW!! I also am awed by your recent discovery that pistols DON'T build rifle skills.

So it makes far more sense to have a powerful POCKET pistol, both for "normal times" defense and shtf, AND a lw, compact, canned .22 pistol, for shtf. The .22 pistol, minus the can of course, can be the "practice" gun for a lot of the pocket pistol skill maintenance, you see. You can leave the threaded barrel whereever you leave the can, naturally.

Why don't you just use .22shorts instead of a can? .22lrs aren't even that loud (relatively).

The .22 unit for the AR serves both theshtf foraging (and silent ambush) roles, AND the "normal times" fun plinker, serious trainer, small game hunting roles. and it does so for a lousy $150., FAR less than the cost of the Ruger pistol, much less the can on same, holster for same, etc.

The Ruger's safety and handling don't feel like ANY carry pistol's,and it's naturally unable to function as a pocket pc.

If you use a Ruger Mk2 as a carry pistol, than wouldn't it also FEEL like a carry pistol? I think you just hate the Ruger because it doesn't come with a .223 conversion kit...and you don't know how to put it back together after stripping it.

 

[Half elf]

Fogive my ignorance, but what the hell are you babeling about. ?
A 40oz pistol, firing the same cartridge as your "Canned 22 unic AR15"12oz I believe is what you called it. Does this conversion make your AR lighter, or what? Last time I qualed the AR/M16 was a 7lb rifle, which is more than 40oz. where I live. If You are complaining about the length, IIRC it is as long as the bbl on your unit, minus the "Can" You are always praddling about, and that is total length, not just a upper. How fast can You switch from a .22lr Unic to a "Full Blown" 223, and are you for sure, and for certain, willing to bet yopur worthles hide, low cut boots, jar of peanut butter, and mylar blankie on the fact that
A a .22lr will drop them immediately
B a suppresed .22lr will drop them permanently
C a .22lr conversion will perform, and deliver what You claim.
D a "Quick" switch in the dark, thick bushes is a sure thing, and never fumbled.
Please forgive me but I must call "Bull<font color=red>[**censored**]</font>" on your premise, and theory

 

[84 C4]

If you've read his previous posts about the .22lr conversion for the canned CAR 15 w/11.5" barrel, you might be able to piece together something approaching coherency.

 

[Aslan]

If you've read his previous posts about the .22lr conversion for the canned CAR 15 w/11.5" barrel, you might be able to piece together something approaching coherency.

His posts approach coherency the same way the tempatures in Antartica approach the August tempatures in Phoenix....

:devil:

 

[andy]

if u r stupid enough, nothing makes sense

and you people are right on the BORDERLINE of being THAT stupid. Hey, dummy, u figuring on having NO rifle for shtf, dummy? JUST the Ruger .22 pistol, dummy? NOBODY bothers with the .22 Ruger as a carry pistol. It's WAY too big and heavy for such use. Hey, dummy, if you could READ, I have NEVER advocated a "speed swap" of calibers.. If you could READ, dummy, you'd KNOW that I've ALWAYS said, if shtf, carry TWO pistols and the CAR15. One of them a canned .22 pocket auto, one of them a 9mm pocket auto. So, dummy, WHEN would there be ANY need to change the calibers of the CAR-15 in the dark and in a hurry, dummy?.

 

[Half elf]

Lets make this clear up front I was under the impression that You advocated a 11.5bbl CAR-15, with a "Can" mounted on the front. I understand the conversion unit weighs 12OZ., but I recall that You always rave about the power of a .223. This in my opinion means that You will be switching calibers. The .22lr is a acceptable caliber for small game by your own admission, and a 11.5 OAL pistol sounds like a handier rig to use up close and personal than a stubby carbine. I am unsure how big your pockets are but I couldn't put any .22 pocket pistol with a can in any of mine except a cargo pocket, not what I would consider real safe. If I understand Your logic You dont count the base weight of the platform you mounted the .22 conversion unic to. Does this apply elsewhere. If I drink a diet coke does this negate the calories in a chili dog or three?, if I eat a salad, dry does this override the box of doughnuts for breakfast?How do You switch from a .22lr conversion to a .223 for TSHTF if you open the ambush with a suppressed .22lr, and they havent read your play book so they dont jump the way you want. I would recommend a change in meds, I like what ever it was you used this weekend tell them to up the doseage, and keep them coming.

 

[mrostov]

Military special ops units can acquire and use pretty much any weapon they want to.

They kill people for a living and they use suppressed MkII pistols, not .22LR units (they still have inventories of the M261 which is a better .22LR unit unit than the Ciener).

 

[Magnum88C]

You know, I just thought of this. With his vision problems, he might NEED a rifle at pistol range? Or maybe it's the fact that he can't ever practice and he's making up for it with an easier to use weapon?

 

[mrostov]

Military special ops units can acquire and use pretty much any weapon they want to.

They kill people for a living and they use suppressed MkII pistols, not .22LR units (they still have inventories of the M261 which is a better .22LR unit unit than the Ciener).

So, why do they use the MKII?

Answer:

SF operators use the Ruger MkII because it's reliable, accurate, and tough. Shorter weapons, like the Baretta Bobcat, lack too much velocity.

They also use it instead of a .22LR unit because it is a separate weapon, independent of their primary gunfighting weapon.

 

[Magnum88C]

They also use it instead of a .22LR unit because it is a separate weapon, independent of their primary gunfighting weapon.

Y. . .you mean REAL soldiers don't compromise their main fighting weapon by turning it into an MBr (Main Battle rimfire)?

 

[andy]

soldiers aint in shtf conditions, either,

dumbass. They can get REPLACEMENT gear, have taxpayers funding everything, get hauled around in choppers, don't have to forage, etc. Hey, dummy, what you THINK the canned M21 is for, hmm? or the pocket 9mm, dummy?

 

[andy]

your dumbass soldiers have their guns

APART a lot, cleaning them, cause they MISS with thousands of rds for every hit that they get on a man, too. Cleaning a rifle takes a LOT longer than the 20 seconds needed to swap out the .22lr and 223 parts, dummy.

 

[Magnum88C]

First of all, you can take a LOT of fire in 20 seconds. And no, you won't always have cover to do it behind.

Second, the subject was what SF use. Surely one hell of a lot more soldier than you ever dreamed of being. Here's a little known fact, while SFs can CARRY pretty much what they want, they aren't ISSUED anything they want. A lot of their gear is stuff they buy on their own. Funny how they won't spend their money of Bobcats, or cripple their rifle to make it a less than reliable rimfire.

 

[Guest]

Has anybody ever hear of 2 man spec ops teams in Iraq carrying cut up Star 9mms rechambered to .356 TSW? Or have you heard them carrying .22 lr. conversion units for their M4s? Come to think about it, have you ever heard of them carrying just 30/60 rounds or dragging a main-assault-wheelbarrow, or staying in THICK cover (where in Iraq?), or even useing CARs (11 inch barrel pos that's WORSE than a M4!) And one more.... have you ever heard of them NOT haveing maps and compass?

Well? These men are close to being totaly alone. Communication many times breaks down. They have enemy all around them. Very limited food.

So, who do we listen to, a REMF Vietnam reject, or Spec. Ops? Who has more training and knowledge, those who train every day or this 1/2 day sunshine warrior?

 

[Magnum88C]

soldiers aint in shtf conditions, either,

Originally posted by unregistered
Well? These men are close to being totaly alone. Communication many times breaks down. They have enemy all around them. Very limited food.

Oh, you mean there job IS SHTF. . .

 

[mrostov]

JD, the crap SF guys sometimes get into is every so often about as close to the real apocalypse as you can get. All too often under those circumstances they fight, eat, and drink with what they are carrying or can scavange.

 

[Hard Rock]

Most of the time Tard, SF use only what they can carry in with them. Very rarely do they get resupply. I know of several instances where each man was carrying 20-30 mags for their rifles and they wished they had brought more because they left the operation with little or no ammunition left. If you want some information on this stuff, look at the de-classified missions of the SEAL's that are shown on the History and Discovery channels.

30-60 rounds is a pipedream. You better have a hell of a lot more than just 2 mags worth of ammunition or you will die.

Mike

 

[Aslan]

Most of the time Tard, SF use only what they can carry in with them. Very rarely do they get resupply. I know of several instances where each man was carrying 20-30 mags for their rifles and they wished they had brought more because they left the operation with little or no ammunition left. If you want some information on this stuff, look at the de-classified missions of the SEAL's that are shown on the History and Discovery channels.

30-60 rounds is a pipedream. You better have a hell of a lot more than just 2 mags worth of ammunition or you will die.

Mike

it doesn't really matter how much ammo the tard carries - the first encounter he has with someone who knows what they are doing (pretty much everyone but the tard), will be his last.


I give him two days (or until he runs out of twinkies and ho-ho's) before he is killed shtf.

:devil:

 

[BigEd]

Yeah what a Tard. Or Tardious Maximus.
I'd bet he's never held let alone shot a professionally done integrally suppressed Ruger MKII target like the Amphibian.
I have once which is probably more than Melvinous Felonious.