in 223, but not one WORD about Hard Rock's claim of 200 gr bthp at 2700 fps in a 308. The SAME pussy who says that everything has to be "just right" or your rifle will blow up in your face. Take a look at what velocities 200 gr 308's get, in the loading manuals, sometime, out of 24" barrels. the pussy claims to have used a 26" barrel, but if you "think" that 2" of barrel safely adds 300 fps, you are a moron.