and it grouped 2" at 25 yds. using all 6 chambers, and whatever plinker ammo I had at the time. I've seen a 2" barreled Ruger Standard Model, shortend and silenced, group 1.5" at 50 ft. 3/4 of the Ruger's rifling was of course lost to the chamber, so it only had 1 1/4" of riflling. To claim that a 3" barreled HP22 can't group 3" at 50 ft is just stupid. The only reason it couldn't would be thru a BADLY loose barrel-frame fit, or the rear sight flopping around. I've seen the latter condition, altho it "only" made the grouping as bad as 8" at 50 ft. It was corrected with a shot of loctite. The lug that mounts the barrel to the frames "hinge pin" IS made of zinc, so it COULD be a poor fit from the factory, or some <font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font> could have done enough dismantlings of the gun to wear-loose that critical fit, but it would have to be VERY worn-ill fitting to not group 8" at 50 ft. Front sight is STILL on the BARREL, ya see. Quite a bit of looseness of rear of barrel doesn't mean all that much.