and it grouped 2" at 25 yds. using all 6 chambers, and whatever plinker ammo I had at the time. I've seen a 2" barreled Ruger Standard Model, shortend and silenced, group 1.5" at 50 ft. 3/4 of the Ruger's rifling was of course lost to the chamber, so it only had 1 1/4" of riflling. To claim that a 3" barreled HP22 can't group 3" at 50 ft is just stupid. The only reason it couldn't would be thru a BADLY loose barrel-frame fit, or the rear sight flopping around. I've seen the latter condition, altho it "only" made the grouping as bad as 8" at 50 ft. It was corrected with a shot of loctite. The lug that mounts the barrel to the frames "hinge pin" IS made of zinc, so it COULD be a poor fit from the factory, or some <font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font> could have done enough dismantlings of the gun to wear-loose that critical fit, but it would have to be VERY worn-ill fitting to not group 8" at 50 ft. Front sight is STILL on the BARREL, ya see. Quite a bit of looseness of rear of barrel doesn't mean all that much.
put 2" Smith Kit gun in my Lee Machinerest
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The Lee Machine Rest is a hunk of junk ...
Get a Ransom Rest with the Windage Base to do you BS'ing with.
The Lee machine test is a hunk of junk.
Bill
Get a Ransom Rest with the Windage Base to do you BS'ing with.
The Lee machine test is a hunk of junk.
Bill
u r fos. The Ransom requires about a 1000 lb caisson on which to mount it, if you use any loads that recoil at all. If you don't have such a base, it will shift with the recoil, and ruin your groups. The Lee,however, can be c clamped to a picnic table, and it will still work just fine, because the gun andthe"upper' part of the rest come free in your hand, separate from the base. I've showed many a Series 70 1911 owner that right out of the box, his gun would group 4" or better at 50 yds, 5 shots, with match swc's. Many would group 3", and very little in the way of COMBAT ammo groups that well, in ANY auto pistol. you lose again, <font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font>.
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Well Magnificent Melvin you've stepped into it again. All the Ransom Rest requires is a base, made out of two pieces of 3/4 inch plywood laminated together. The base just needs to be long enough to use two "C" clamps to mount it to the shooting bench.223 fan said:
You're wrong again MELVIN, you lose, I win.
(Note to Rich Z. - you don't consider the word MAGNIFICENT to be derogatory, do you)
I have $5000 to your $500 that says if you TRY that, <font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font>, you will get BAD groups with full charge ammo in any .45 auto. 
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One tiny little question just occured to me MELVIN, why would the Ransom Rest require a bigger base, or mounting device, than the Lee Rest?
They both hold the same guns. The both are designed to shoot the same guns. Sooo, tell me MELVIN, why do you think that? You did say you were very knowledgable, and insightful didn't you? And so full of excrement that your eyes are brown.
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Rich - Is it all right to use the word EXCREMENT? I need to know that, so I won't offend you or your pampered star poster.
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They both hold the same guns. The both are designed to shoot the same guns. Sooo, tell me MELVIN, why do you think that? You did say you were very knowledgable, and insightful didn't you? And so full of excrement that your eyes are brown.
Bill
Rich - Is it all right to use the word EXCREMENT? I need to know that, so I won't offend you or your pampered star poster.
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MELVIN, here you go with your idiotic wagers again. You can't, and won't back anything up. Your all mouth and hot air MELVIN.223 fan said:I have $5000 to your $500 that says if you TRY that, <font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font>, you will get BAD groups with full charge ammo in any .45 auto.
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MELVIN:223 fan said:
I have had two Ransom Rests for the last thirty years. I have mounted them on many different shooting tables with complete success. None of these shooting tables weighted any where close to 500 Lbs. I have used these rests with complete satisfaction.
One of my Jim Hoag modified 1911 shoots into an inch at fifty yards, without fail, when shooting it from the Ransome Rest, with the right loads. All shooting platforms were either available range wooden shooting bench's or my own transportable shooting bench.
Melvin, you're such an abyssmal failure as a human, or as a shooter.
Hey Rich, is it all right to use the words abyssmal and failure? I have to know, so that I don't unintentially get your panties in a wad. If you get you panties in a wad because of something I said, I want it to be intentional. So, will you email me your list of approved words, please?
Bill
U r a liar, and u r using wussy loads in a 1911 on top of it. The DIFFERENCE, is that the gun and the upper part of the lee rest recoil freely into your HAND. There is ZERO transfer of the recoil to the base of the Lee rest.
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Well MELVIN, you seem in fine form for a person who said they were leaving.andy said:
However, your unfortunate choice of words, and your complete lack of a formal education, make you look like the outstanding imbecile, you are.
Have you still got twelve years on parole MELVIN? Ever wonder how I found that out MELVIN?
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