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Fair enough, but put a 70-pound pack on a weightlifter or a bi-athlete, and he'll go farther and faster than a marathoner with the same pack. Marathoners are amazingly "fit", but in a light-weight, low-drag way. Every extra ounce is something they (understandably) hate, so they don't carry, and therefore aren't capable of carrying, much weight. That's the nature of marathoning.

A greyhound can run fast & far, but they don't use greyhounds for emergency work (rescuing lost mountain climbers, guarding facilities, etc); they use larger, stronger animals like St. Bernards and German Shepherds.

Same principles apply regardless of species. To sprint "out of dodge", the un-burdened marathoner certainly has an advantage; but to actually accomplish something once you get "out of dodge" (and have the means to do so), takes more than just low-drag speed.

If speed were the only issue, it wouldn't make sense to carry anything at all. If speed didn't matter at all, it would make sense to carry a boatload of crap. As much as I dislike the way the word "compromise" is often used, that's exactly what we're talking about here; much like the CAR-15 itself.

An FAL unquestionably hits harder than the CAR, but IMO, the CAR hits "hard enough", so that's what I carry; hence the compromise. If power was the only issue that mattered, the FAL (or whatever heavier caliber gun) would win out. If paring down weight was the "only" issue that mattered, then no gun at all would be carried. A compromise.
 

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that's right, John, but the LESS fit you are, the LESS extra gear you can carry, and a BUNCH of these guys can't HOPE to carry even the 50 lbs of BOB that the CAR and similiar stuff totals. So adding a pointless extra 10-20 lbs of 308, .45, etc, etc, is just plain stupid. So is being without the ability to QUIETLY do things. All that does is make you NOT try some things that you NEED to do, or else take MAJOR risks of MORE combat, and having lots of blast and flash just makes them more likely to LOSE those fights. Just the stupidity that goes with not HAVING proper gear and skills is enough to kill nearly anyone, REGARDLESS of what gear they MIGHT acquire. It's the mindset of such idiots that is what's all wrong. gonna STAY where the hordes either ARE, or where they will flee TO, is stupid. Being in open country, in daylight, is stupid. Trying to carry way too much wt is stupid. Claiming you will pass by livestock, when you and your loved ones are starving, is stupid, etc.
 

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...Claiming you will pass by livestock, when you and your loved ones are starving, is stupid, etc.
That's what livestock is for. Yes, it would be stealing; yes, if I could barter, trade, etc, instead of stealing one of somebody's cows, I'd do it. Yes, I'd try to leave something in return for the animal if possible. But if no other option were available, I admit that I'd steal food before I let my kids starve to death.


(At least this didn't devolve into our standard "two pounds per inch of height" flame-fest... :eatpointe )
 

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Again you talk about having the proper gear, please post the kit you have ready to go AT THIS MOMENT!! Hey I want a reliable rifle that will work from -40 to +98 F, sorry but the AR/M16 just doesn't cut it in severe weather. In my geographical location, the FN FAL wins hands down in sub zero weather. So post your kit list, prove your not a WANNABE!
 

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Another strawman argument.
Marathoners, in marathon shape are not in good shape. They are in an artificially lightweight condition. They gain a lot of weight in the off-season (abeit still far leaner than most people). Not only is their competitive condition unsustainable, it is no good at all for carrying loads. The short bus rider's argument is like saying that since you can't pull a 12000 pound trailer with a Civic, it's impossible for a "heavy clunker" 1 ton truck to do so. Another instance where his brains were a no-show.

Then the king of tomfoolery carps abouit proper equipment, when he has none at all, not even the cobbled up crap he brays on about all the time. Yet people who have real gear, real skill and someplace to be are stupid, because they aren't going on the peanut butter and tang diet while floating down the mighty Mississip' to warmer climates where he apparently thinks no one will go to. . .
 
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Melvin, I can carry my ruck, LBV and weapon all day, no not at a 4 minute a mile pace but fast enough to hump your sorry ass straight into the dirt.You think everyones the weakling you are but I assure you that most are not.
 

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this might be off 'topic' a bit

but does fall under body conditioning.

i've been off the day job recovering[most of the year]
and am just now starting 'to shoulder a load'

i've started working this fine sorrel thourghbred gelding race horse in the evenings,
anyway i take this 'lightin bolt ' out for some flat out distance run ,along the RXR track last week, and let me tell you, the next day the sorness i was suffering had me at 1/3 impulse power all day!
[i lift a little weight/swim about 5 times aweek]

i for one, would hate to have to 'ruck up and roll' on foot right about now!

the first week would not be fun! :bawling:



thanks.
 

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Sorry to hear about your bad fortune but am glad that you're recovering okay. Don't overdo it and have a relapse or you'll be walking around like Melvin. OUCH! :D

RIKA
 

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And stup*kid has a bad back. He can't carry sh*t! So what's the argument? Dumbkid isn't a marathoner, or a weightlifter, or anything. He's an old man who has bad eyesight, bad back, and flinches. Not only that, he can't have weapons. And his yellow streak is proven as he want's everyone to break the law to show they arn't puss*s, but he is afraid to go off parole to PROVE a bet. That's a real puss*y.
 

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how far and fast he can run, and you AINT a marathoner. :)
This is one of the dumbest posts I've read:

1) what's the point you're trying to make?
2) can you attempt to provide a scenario so we can try and follow your complete lack of logic?

You do know that toddler can't run with a 70lb pack either - right?

a couple of questions:

How fast do you need to be able to run with your pack on, and why?
do you understand the concept of layering your gear?
what is the wing velocity of a European swallow?

Sometimes you want to move smartly and swiftly - but not fast. Fast can be fatal, fast means noise and exposure.

For someone that says we would be dumb to be in the open in daylight and not moving at night you sure do have a lot of weird ideas on what that entails. You come up with very interesting requirements that really don't promote your case at all.

I have no problem traveling with a heavy pack - within my tolerances. You may not be able to carry the same load as me or someone else. That's called life. But to blindly claim that everyone is only as fit or capable as you are, is a very silly thing to do.

Anytime you want to do a 50 mile jaunt with full packs and gear (sans weapons so you don't have to worry about legal issues) let me know.
 
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