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No. They carry the best weapon for the particular job and they are backed up by guys with M16's and MP5's and other weapons. Unlike you who can only functiion with the canned CAR, there are others among us who have expertise with multiple kinds of weapons.

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Not to mention shotguns in military use are basically used as hand-held claymore mines. Do a lot of damage, if necessary do a little damage to several people, making them easier pickings for riflemen.

Shotguns are for close engagements, you know, like where the 11.5" CAR is good. They were used to devastating effect against the moros in the Philipines and inflicted such horrible casualties in WWI, that the Germans tried to have them banned under the Geneva Convention as being "unfair".
 

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US Marines are currently carrying them in Iraq & Canadian soldiers are currently partolling Kabul Afganistan carrying them.
 

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For house to house and room to room fighting, and in a marine environment, they are superb.
 
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So, are shotguns better for untrained people (like you say in this post) or not better (like you say in the post where you fib about the can tossing)?

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deuce deuce tre,
Apparently you have never operated in an environment where mission requirements were briefed.
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SatCong said:
deuce deuce tre,
Apparently you have never operated in an environment where mission requirements were briefed.
SatCong
Sorry Mr. Sat Cong, our lad operated in a prison environment where he was debriefed daily.

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Excellent :wavey: :wavey:
 

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SatCong, RIKA works better than Raider. Long story.

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Personally, my social 870 stays in the bedroom, and my rifle in my vehicle. I prefer the shotgun for home for several reasons (1) the effect of the slide-racking noise in an enclosed area, (2) penetration issues, both under- and over- (3) wider dispersal. Yep, the slide noise has an effect outside too. Yep, shotgun loads can overpenetrate too. Yep, dispersal of shot will be minimal at in-home ranges. Yep, all these have been argued ad nauseum.

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Not to mention is as close as you'll get to a hand-held Claymore mine (I have claymore swords in case you wondered why I specify mines). :D
 

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SatCong said:
Raider,
Ouch for his (loose) choke tube!
SatCong
I like your post name. I seem to recall it from somewhere. Or maybe I com bic?
 

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TG,
If you are of a certain age, you will be familiar with the words, or you may have posted with me on other forums. This sobriquet is not chosen just for it's literal translation, but as an attitude towards all who would be this nation's enemy. If you actually speak it, I envy you, for I have forgotten more than I have remembered, however, I recall some when I see it, or, more increasingly, hear a snatch of it.
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I tried looking up SatCong on google but all I got was "Kill the ..." Kill the what? B^stards?

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If my memory serves me correctly during Vietnam war, South Vietnamese Special Forces had "SAT CONG" tattooed on their chests, it ment "Kill the Communists".
 

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On their chest's and some paratroopers had it on their forearms. It Literally mean "Kill Cong" (communists). I heard there was a big rush for tattoo changes and attempts at eradication in Saigon, 1975.
 
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