Let me know what you think of them. If you need more, I have a BUNCH of them.
I paid $1 each for them.......
I paid $1 each for them.......
-------------7of7 said:I fired the full range loads with the AA7, sent the data to Johan, and this is the response I received:
Thanks for the feedback and co-operation.
You’re latest data shows that AA 7 is closer to the factory powder than AA5.
The 6.9grains load is about were you should settle for good all round performance.
You can experiment with AA5 if you want, but I would be reluctant.
Since this is such a sensitive caliber the faster powder will even be less forgiving.
You will have to extremely careful, because things will happen much faster.
I suggest between 5.0 and 6.2grains of AA 5.
The load information:
Hornady V-Max 35 grain
6.9 grains AA7
CCI 400 Primer (small rifle)
COL: 1.46 inches
Case trimmed to 1.127
Next time you have someone ship you something, request that they use USPS Flat rate service. They have to use the free usps boxes, and then give them about 7.10 for the shipping,.... for any weight as long as it fits in the box, and it is less than 70 lbs.Fxds said:Yup... thats the guy.. I bought 2 bags of 100 from him. With shipping to me since Alaska is a foriegn country, total price was around $44.
I also contacted GunBroker about this guy and mentioned the details of what I had gotten. Their response was not very satisfactory.----- Original Message -----
To: James Modon
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: Question regarding GunBroker.com Item 30475296
I just received the package today and inspected the contents.
I checked these supposedly 5.7x28 pr AP projectiles and I don't believe that is what they really are. I believe they are just 5.56 SS109 projectiles with the lead melted out of the base. For one thing, I did some checking around and REAL 5.7x28 projectiles do not have a cannelure, and these projectiles you sent match up PERFECTLY with some SS109 projectiles that I have here. The base of the projectile is nothing but a HUGE hole, leaving just the steel insert in place. Matter of fact, in some of them I can see corn cob media from being tumbled, evidently to remove the green paint (in my opinion) on the tip and likely evidence of the jacket being heated.
I took some closeup photos and posted them up on my ArmsLocker forum. http://www.armslocker.com/forums/showthread.php?p=137177#post137177. Post #123 if you care to look them over.
Although I can admire the amount of work someone must have done to do something like this, my fear is that these things will be so imbalanced that they will keyhole like crazy if I were to load them up and actually shoot them. In fact, they may even be dangerous to the shooter (me!) in that the nearly hollow projectile may simply burst from the pressure when the propellant gases enter it, causing who knows what to happen to that gun. Certainly there won't be much of a chance at all that the projectile will hit anything I am aiming at. And with the prices of FN FiveseveNs going through the roof after FN shutting down sales to the public, this will just be an unacceptable risk to take with possible damage being caused to the gun. Not to mention some liability on your part for selling such things.
But in any event, I paid for REAL 5.7x28 AP projectiles, not these homebrew modified SS109 projectiles. I am requesting a return of this merchandise that is not what I had ordered and expected to have received, for a full refund of the money I paid for them.
I hope we can accomplish this without any rancor or bad blood developing.
Closed Tuesday, April 26, 2005 Issue #37035
Item Number: 30475296
4/26/2005 3:46:18 PM
I would like to be able to contact the buyers of this item being sold to them concerning the accuracy of what this seller is actually selling. I have received some myself (I bought a LARGE lot of them) and I have my doubts about what they really are. As such I would like to contact those buyers to see if they received the same thing before I take any further steps in this matter.
FYI, my opinion is that these supposedly 5.7x28 projectiles are actually homebrew modified 5.56 SS109 projectiles that will not only NOT work properly when loaded, but may actually be dangerous to the shooter and quite possibly damage the gun they are fired in. At the very least I would like to let those people know about such a situation.
Anyway the buyers are as follows:
5/5/2005 10:12:12 AM
Thank you for your feedback.
5/6/2005 5:34:08 PM
What the heck kind of answer is that?
5/6/2005 6:48:47 PM
To which I received the following reply:Last warning. If you do not refund the money I paid for these worthless projectiles, all efforts expended in legal proceedings will be asked as recoverable damages when I take this to small claims court. I also have an attorney who is a friend of mine located in Ohio that will assist me in collecting on the judgement when filed.
You have been made aware of the bogus nature of the merchandise you are selling and yet you still continue to send that junk out to unsuspecting buyers. That is CLEARLY fraud and will be bringing you to the attention of your state's attorneys office shortly.
Go ahead, ignore this email too. I am showing good faith efforts to get this resolved before having to resort to the court system. This is going to get rather expensive for you.
Interesting dodge, eh?I will print a copy of your email and get it to James when I see him next week. He has been out of town for about a week visiting a friend who is in the hospital.
By the way he only ran that auction one time. Not repeated as you seem to be under the impression of. He has had 4 requests for more of the bullets, but the guy who owned them doesn't have anymore. Isn't it against federal law to load steel core bullets into handgun rounds as you say you are going to do ? Thanks.
Yes, please pass this on to him. I do have an attorney in Ohio, by the way, that will assist me if needed.
As for the legality issue, I suspect Mr. Modon has already looked into this before offering them for sale to the public. In short AP ammo for handguns is only illegal if imported into the country, or sold as loaded ammo by a FFL dealer. The loading of projectiles by a private person for use in their own firearms is not illegal.
But that is rather irrelevant concerning this issue we face here with misrepresented merchandise, isn't it? And look on the bright side, if he simply refunds my money for this unacceptable merchandise, then he can simply sell them to someone else who may find it acceptable and not willing to undergo legal proceedings to get this resolved. Sounds like a no-brainer decision to me.
BTW, once I reach the point to where I have to pay for the help of my attorney to resolve this, those fees will be added to the total amount needed to satisfy my claim in court. And as I mentioned, I do have an attorney in Ohio, so jurisdiction will remain local within Ohio.