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Hmm, curious to see if you get anywhere. My response from James when I sent the original email was this:

----- Original Message -----
From: James Modon
To: serpenco
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: Question regarding GunBroker.com Item 30475296


? 5.7x28 ap steel core bullets ? I am not really sure where these came from. They are copper jacketed steel core bullets.

We typed up the add to let all know that we did NOT know where they came from. We even included a close up scan of the bullet so there was no question as to what they looked like. In addition you bought them for 1/2 of the owners asking price. We forwarded your email to Nick Nelson who owned them and asked what he would like to do. His answer is that he sold them as is and that he will not reimberse the .97 cents each that he paid for them or the $1.00 each that you paid.
 

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Rich - I don't know what you're paying for 5.7 ammo (and I'm not reading 16 pages of posts about reloading a caliber I don't shoot :cool: ), but fwiw, I received a notice from Natchez today that they have FN SS196SR "on sale" for $29.99/50.

Don't know if it's a better-than-average price or not; just passing it along.


http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=FN10700014
 

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Thanks. The SS196 is the lower powered stuff. The "good" stuff is the SS192 and SS195.

That reminds me, I've had a case of ammo (prepaid and all) on order from AZGunrunners for ages now. Guess I need to send them another nag-o-gram.

Thanks for keeping me in mind, though.
 

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Rich Z said:
Thanks. The SS196 is the lower powered stuff. The "good" stuff is the SS192 and SS195.

That reminds me, I've had a case of ammo (prepaid and all) on order from AZGunrunners for ages now. Guess I need to send them another nag-o-gram.

Thanks for keeping me in mind, though.
I have had a case ordered since January, this is the response I received:

These items are on backorder till the end of June or mid July.
We will hold this order until we are able to ship unless we receive different instructions from you. We are at the mercy of FN who has not kept there scheduled delivery dates so far???????
Please do not contact re status of this ammo. We will ship when in stock.


Best regards,

Gary Lovetro
Arizona Gun Runners
 

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Any results from this?

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Well I thought I might try a softer approach and said this.....

Hello.. I hate to do this but I feel I must. I need to ask for a refund or even an exchange for something else. These are not only no what they are claimed to be but they cannot be reloaded in any form due to the fact that the lead has been removed as look to be SS109 rounds. It would be insane to reload these and try to shoot them. I hope that you have been mislead here and not trying to scam these off. Please respond to this email so we can work someting out. Thank you
Larry

the response on 5-26-05 was...

Just let me know how much you paid, and what the shipping address is for the refund. The guy we sold them for, hasn't answered his phone in 2 weeks. And I have tried at all times of the day and night. Thanks, James

I am still waiting.. I will keep you in informed Rich


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Actually I got a form to fill out from the district attorney in West Virginia. I can't figure out why they would be involved, since I am pretty sure this guy is located in Ohio. Been meaning to fill it out anyway to see what comes of it. Perhaps they will just refer it to the proper authorities.

But hurricane Dennis took center stage last weekend and I just haven't found the time to pursue it.

How about it Fxds? Did you get anywhere with this guy?
 

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Well its been a busy time for me and no.. he doesnt respond to any emails now and has dropped me like a hot rock. I am tired of the nice approach here tho.
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Is he still selling on GunBroker? Might need to make his auctions useless to him. :dgrin:
 

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i will 'chip'-in,,,as a PERSON! can not even track a SCENT of the "5.7" cartridge/firearm capable of LAUNCHING-IT!!!

in the gun-shops/stores down here!!![gunshows=JOKE!]
HELL! i got a guy wantin' to sell me an 8" barreled S/W 500,,[although,the 4"
is rather intriging] :dgrin:
 

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I spoke to my attorney in Ohio today and he said he is willing to help any of us who have been "hot pokered" by James Modon with those bogus 5.7x28 projectiles. I'm going to be gathering up all of the information I have at hand and forwarding it all to him. Anyone interested in participating is encouraged to contact me.
 

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Finally got my case order of 5.7x28 ammo from Arizona Gun Runners yesterday. When the box was delivered, I didn't have a clue what the heck it was. It has been MONTHS since I ordered that stuff and I basically forgot about it.

On one hand I was disappointed that it was 2,000 rounds of the SS196 ammo (the underpowered stuff), but on the other hand, I got it for ONLY $699 (shipping included)! :)

So I can play with this ammo and keep the GOOD stuff stashed away.
 

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This for Sean, Stop behaving like a jerk. I agree with Andy.You can get the 9mm,40, or a 45 for that matter, to penetrate vests with velocities close to that of the 5.7. Have you ever hear of Magsafe Agent loads?
In addition, Aguila intentionally downloads their 65 grain 9mm IQ round to 1550fps because when they load it up to potential it kept penetrating vests.
You could get a lot better velocity out of a 9mm with a 65 grain bullet than 1550fps didn't you ever wonder why it was loaded so weak?
You say that you "would rather not think about having to put holes in a bullet proof vest", but I think you think about that all the time. Why else would you be spending so much time talking about the Fiveseven, and wanting to reload the 5.7.
You sound a little like the wannabe macho guy at the range that compensates for his shortcomings by trying to run people down. You know, the kind that the rest of us have to roll our eyes and tolerate. You should take a breath long enough to listen to other people opinions. It does not make you more important to be a jerk.
 

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WELL,JASONMULTI#'S! you come across like a 'HINDU' asshole?

what's YER THOUGHT'S?
 

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I know Im brining back a dead thread but did anyone ever attain SS195/2 velocities? Was the max attained only AA5 @ 1885fps?
 

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I haven't heard anything further, and certainly have not had the time nor initiative to experiment myself.

Anyone heard anything? Curious to hear about this myself.
 

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I was just going over my burnrate charts and Im looking how results were with AA7 and AA9; anyone tried Vit N350 or 3N38 (just slower than the midpoint between AA5 and AA7) or N-123 (just slower than AA9)?

I dont own a Five-seveN but Im most interested in the gun and the cartridge and those powders seem to be the ticket if that AA isnt working.

Ive also seen a man over at reloadersnest claim to have 2050 with a 35gr using PowerPistol.
 

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jason21401 said:
This for Sean, Stop behaving like a jerk. I agree with Andy.You can get the 9mm,40, or a 45 for that matter, to penetrate vests with velocities close to that of the 5.7. Have you ever hear of Magsafe Agent loads?
In addition, Aguila intentionally downloads their 65 grain 9mm IQ round to 1550fps because when they load it up to potential it kept penetrating vests.
You could get a lot better velocity out of a 9mm with a 65 grain bullet than 1550fps didn't you ever wonder why it was loaded so weak?
You say that you "would rather not think about having to put holes in a bullet proof vest", but I think you think about that all the time. Why else would you be spending so much time talking about the Fiveseven, and wanting to reload the 5.7.
You sound a little like the wannabe macho guy at the range that compensates for his shortcomings by trying to run people down. You know, the kind that the rest of us have to roll our eyes and tolerate. You should take a breath long enough to listen to other people opinions. It does not make you more important to be a jerk.
WOW thats utterly facinating.....
hey guys with the exception of this character.....and perhaps andy....
have i offended any of you?
if so i apologize but i am inclined to belive this is andy's cousin lol

any how THANKS FOR THE LINK TO THE 5.7 FORUM

SEAN
 

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First I'd like to say hello to every one, I am new here, but I see a few names i have seen at fivesevenforum.com,
Dark wolf, if you check out fiveseven forum you will find reciepes that people have tried using N350 or 3N38
I myself have tried the accurate number 9 and now using Power pistol, with 35 grain and 40 grain, I see 7of7 uses this fourum too, he has a ton of infos for yous, if you have any questions i'd be glad to help if i can
 
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