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My $5000 to YOUR $500 says that you can't hit 5 out of 5 tries, 12" X 24" mark, 400m, using a battle auto, from sitting, using backpack as a rifle rest. 1 shot on each occasion, each location. March 15, 5pm, OKC. Jan 1st, 9 am, Bangor, Maine. 4pm, August 15, Death Valley, Rainy season, Seattle,WA, 5Pm. Jan 15, 9 am, Butte, Montana.

Prone often wont let you get a clear shot, so the sitting position is the only truly practical one. only an idiot risks having nothing but a bolt action. I LET you have match ammo (that you probably WONT have) LET you use a fragile scope sight, LET you know the range, use a STATIONARY target, LET you use earprotection, noone will be firing at you,before or after the shot. No need to escape. I LET you be fully rested, fed, hydrated, no dysentery or depression (as is nearly always the case in long term combat or survival conditions) 440 yds, not the bs half mile many CLAIM effectivenesst-to. 5 places in the US, all COMMONLY encountered, with commonly encountered conditions of wind, snow, fog, mirage, heat, cold. NOBODY's ever taken me up on this bet, cause they KNOW that they CAN'T win. :) Much of US, MUCH of the time, offers EXACTLY the same problems with getting long range hits. The above condiitons are thus VERY realistic, and you wont DIE for having missed, as is quite likely if you try the same thing post shtf. :)
 

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so much for "needing" more range than the 400m any decent AR -223 offers. :) What u long range wannabees are is fos.
 

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so much for "needing" more range than the 400m any decent AR -223 offers. :) What u long range wannabees are is fos.

None of which your iron sighted (remember, scopes are fragile, so you won't have one) 10" barrel used-to-be-AR can do. Much less the real long range work.
 

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I aint the fool who said such things NEEDED doingk. :) YOU are the claimants of such. all I have to do is PROVE that you can't COUNT on being able to do such, when NEEDED, to show that your choice of rifle and caliber is based upon NOTHING.
 

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I heard this one before, and who would pick up the tab on about 8,000$ worth of travel to try and show up a unpleaqsant indviual that most likely You wouldn't let in the front door, or pick up on the road side?
 

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like I SAID, punk, u r all scared u'd fail the FIRST time. I picked the 4 corners of the country for the settings, , NOBODY lives more than a day's drive from ONE of the sites. :) There aint $100 of expenses at stake for you. After you win ONE of them, it wouldn't take more than another $200 to get to one more. However, you dont DARE try it. :) The FIRST miss, you owe me $500.,and you KNOW it's REAL likely to happen the FIRST try. :)
 

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I picked hot, mirgage prone, cold, snow prone, REALLY windy, etc, places, just to show up punks who make such stupid claims, that they are COUNTING upon "nice" firing conditions. It's REALLY stupid to count upon such. You are ALREADY counting upon a STATIONARY target, in the open,in daylight,HAVING ear protection, being well rested, well fed, well hydrated, etc, NONE of which is going to be the reality of shtf.
 

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The bolt guys are confident in thier abilities and fieldcraft but also know this "bet" could never take place because YOU would have to show up.YOU wont leave Pagosa Springs because your on parole.....remember?
 

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Find me a place where a 400m shot can be taken for your challenge (that means it's legal to shoot) in Seattle WA and then we'll worry about what your definition of Rainy season is and whether or not it's daylight at 5pm.


Seattle is not a long range environment.

Shows you that you didn;t learn when you were told before.
 

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Ho hum, another fantasy bet.
 

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The bests are exceptionally childish. Sort of like in the playground "My dad can beat up your dad"! The bets are not only unrealistic, but you couldn't be trusted to show up either to witness the event or payoff your debt. Go back to your fantasy world.
 

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My $5000 to YOUR $500 says that you can't hit 5 out of 5 tries, 12" X 24" mark, 400m, using a battle auto, from sitting, using backpack as a rifle rest. 1 shot on each occasion, each location. March 15, 5pm, OKC. Jan 1st, 9 am, Bangor, Maine. 4pm, August 15, Death Valley, Rainy season, Seattle,WA, 5Pm. Jan 15, 9 am, Butte, Montana.

Prone often wont let you get a clear shot, so the sitting position is the only truly practical one. only an idiot risks having nothing but a bolt action. I LET you have match ammo (that you probably WONT have) LET you use a fragile scope sight, LET you know the range, use a STATIONARY target, LET you use earprotection, noone will be firing at you,before or after the shot. No need to escape. I LET you be fully rested, fed, hydrated, no dysentery or depression (as is nearly always the case in long term combat or survival conditions) 440 yds, not the bs half mile many CLAIM effectivenesst-to. 5 places in the US, all COMMONLY encountered, with commonly encountered conditions of wind, snow, fog, mirage, heat, cold. NOBODY's ever taken me up on this bet, cause they KNOW that they CAN'T win. :) Much of US, MUCH of the time, offers EXACTLY the same problems with getting long range hits. The above condiitons are thus VERY realistic, and you wont DIE for having missed, as is quite likely if you try the same thing post shtf. :)
First of all, it isn't realistic for a number of reasons. It's childish.

First, the conditions are not common, as you had to pick a number of geographically dissemilar locations. Common would mean you would find them anywhere, without having to do all the travelling. Also common would mean the majority of the time, not the minority.

Much of the US doesn't offer exactly the same conditions, or again you would not have to pick such diverse locations.

Now, if the idea is to be able to escape, then I beleive you're the one who has repeatedly claimed that a near miss at a distance will keep people's heads down so we can escape? Hmm?

How about we go 5 for 5 in my AO? Of course you won't show up. And you don't have the money. We've even offered to pay your way so you can see it being done, but you run away each time.

Also, out of 365 days in a year, how much of the time will those conditions exist in a given AO? The majority, or the minority?

Long range shooting scares you, you can't do it, so you invent an extreme set of conditions that you think prove your point.

The truth is, there are more than enough people out there, who, if they can see the target, they can hit the target.

Nice try, but it is a childish bet that proves nothing (except maybe in your warped little head).

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