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and run and fight like they SHOULD. So much for you punks and your CLAIMS of doing so with 70 lbs of 308, .45, and the other inefficient survival gear you THINK you should have (cause you're inept and ignorant). :)
 

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and run and fight like they SHOULD. So much for you punks and your CLAIMS of doing so with 70 lbs of 308, .45, and the other inefficient survival gear you THINK you should have (cause you're inept and ignorant). :)
The bergens carried by each member of Bravo two zero each weighed 209lbs. Those were SAS loads, gear, ammo and explosives.

I guess the SAS doesn't follow the gunkid rules....

You might try checking your facts from time to time..

Oh, since you probably are confused, a bergen is the type of pack they were carrying.

Oh, one more thing, the weight didn't include the stuff on their web gear.

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You cannot carry enough food and gear to survive out in the woods for a year, your weapons, and your cold weather clothing, and keep in under the 40 lbs that your aging back is limited too.
 

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*LMAO* Ok I won't speak for the SAS, but I will speak from my own expirience.13 years in the army, 9 in the infantry the rest in communications.I weighed out my gear several times over the years, thats the ruck,weapon(weapon changed from time to time, from a SAW, to an m-16/203/to an m-21, and back to an m-16),and lbe, the LIGHTEST my gear ever was weighed in at 135 pounds, the heaviest weighed in at 170.The ruck of course weighing the most out of everything.

I climbed mountains, forded rivers,swamps, and yes even ran with this gear, no I didn't run a 4 minute mile but I ran.I've been in jungles,deserts,mountains,and everything in between carrying close to or above my own body weight in gear.It can be done melvin and is done daily.
One's gear and equipment means several things.With your gear you can of course accomplish the mission(as a soldier), as a civilian your gear will mean the difference between living and dying(as it does with a soldier, and boy's and girls by me reffering to soldiers it applies to all branches of the military),your equipment is your edge, only the foolish think they can and will be able to head to the hills with no map,compass,canteen,food,knives,weapons etc and survive for very long.Gear is expendable, from your weapon to your ruck it can all be used and used up, but it will allow you to either live and gather other gear, or will just keep your butt from dying lost and cold in some unknown location(melvins plan will lead to the lost and cold and dying scenario).

40 pounds of gear is what my wife carries, as a bare minimum, and she's 5'2 and a hundred some odd pounds.My personall equipments heavier, then again my role and what I use my equipment for is different.Our group has women in their 50's who carry more than 40 pounds, and are active parts of patrols etc.Run across one of those women melvin and they'd beat you to a pulp.
 

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What do you expect from someone who is to scared to spend a night in the bush!
 
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Sorry Teuf, but the finest camera cannot take a picture of an imaginary object.
 
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Sorry Teuf, but the finest camera cannot take a picture of an imaginary object.
Give the man some time. With the arthritis he's not as good at drawing with crayons as he used to be.

The sad part is that he has no gear, espouses backpack survivalism as the only hope for the future, and has never backpacked.

With very little money, you can scrounge together a useable collection of gear from swap meets and garage sales if you have to. However, this would take some skill and some experience, generally absent from those who have zero time in the field.
 
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I climbed mountains, forded rivers,swamps, and yes even ran with this gear, no I didn't run a 4 minute mile but I ran.I've been in jungles,deserts,mountains,and everything in between carrying close to or above my own body weight in gear.It can be done melvin and is done daily.
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I'll second this. Any soldier that has gone through Benning or Air Assault School has debunked this "you can't" argument.
 

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Benning; the armpit of the world.

Actually, I was lucky; I was C-7-1, in the newer Sand Hill part of the base. Had a friend go in the same time, and he was stuck in the old Harmony Church area. Old WW2 barracks, you could literally see sunlight thru cracks in the walls.
 

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CAV, funny you mention benning, I went through basic and AIT back in 85, and I pushed georgia a whole lot deeper while I was there*L*Hated it,loved it, would I do it all again, yup in a second.
Melvins posts show his lack of any real training in any field, also shows what a weak minded individual he is.As my old drill SGT used to say, it's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick, and that mean sob woulda put an eye out if anyone wouldn't whined the words"I can't".
 

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Benning; the armpit of the world. Old WW2 barracks, you could literally see sunlight thru cracks in the walls.
Those cracks were for summer ventilation. ;)

TM123,

I only had the privilage of seeing the ABN sawdust pits and the Darby Queen. You crunchies liked walking too much for a cav jock like me.
 

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Reality check time?

Looks like somebody needs to do some research and learn a little bit about combat tactics. They don't fight with the backpack on. They drop them before they engage, or if they get engaged by surprise, they drop the packs then. Either way, they drop the packs when they're engaging in operations. Amazing what you learn when you take the time to find out something about what you're talking about. :uzi:
 

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And that's why the stuff you absoultely have to have to survive is on your web gear.

If you have to drop your ruck and run / fight you do so, if you can't get back to the ruck, TBSS STBY, but you ain't dead.

But, as has been stated, you need to do your homework befire spouting incorrect, made up "facts"

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"And that's why the stuff you absoultely have to have to survive is on your web gear."

You've got that right Aslan!
 

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Amen !!!!!!!!!!
 

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Going light however would be the way to go if at all possible. Good caches of supplies, good knowledge of survival skills, and proper equiping of a 20-25 pound pack plus web gear, clothing on your back, and gun is more than enough for anyman to survive at least 5 days alone without resupply of any type. This I know for a fact because I have hiked with less and made it last that long after learning how to do it, and no I did not carry a puny .223 caliber anything. I have done this several times just to be prepared. Now in that 5 days you should be able to either: resupply from a cache, steal supplies, hunt down game, catch fish, find edible plants, or you could also just give yourself up as a hopeless romantic who thought he was a survivor.

POS 223 Fan had a good point to make but as usual made it, as I see it, in an inappropriate manner and by citing wrong factual evidence.
 
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