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was my companion in the late '60's, very accurate, nice sights and trigger pull. I took a lot of game, birds and vermin with that 20 oz, 8" long thing, as I worked on a hog farm, age 16-17. A starling at 25 yds, me at Weaver, had about 1 chance in 3 of going free. It was a single shot, the "cylinder" was one pc with the barrel, and "swung out" to the side to reload.
 

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no, I'd owned a .44 cap and ball, .25 auto

1911, .22 llama, .22 Iver Johnson, 38"western" style Roehm before I got the Savage. The savage was easily the most accurate of them all. Some times I carried both it and the Llama, in case I had need of rapidfire. Sometimes I did, on chucks, *****, dogs,
 
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so who cares

why don't you tell us what color pants you were wearin when you were 16, like i care
 

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just thought I'd get things started about

experiences taking game with carry pistols, but I see none of you have such abilities. I thought as much, but I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt. So much for you lames.
 

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Re: just thought I'd get things started about

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experiences taking game with carry pistols, but I see none of you have such abilities. I thought as much, but I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt. So much for you lames.
YOU started it, andy? I thought 223 fan started it? And since when are dogs game?
 

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experiences taking game with carry pistols, but I see none of you have such abilities. I thought as much, but I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt. So much for you lames.
And that's why you posted it in a forum about identifying an unknown firearm, and not in the pistol section....


Did you and 223 Fan discuss this at length before deciding which forum to post it in?


At least US lames can READ what a Forum is ABOUT with some comprehension....


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killing with your carry gun

I don't know if this is the right forum but I'll respond to andy/223fan/G.kids/can-mans? thread. about 2 years ago i was quail hunting with my yellow lab, he got into a mix up with a "loner"boar javelina, needless to say it got pretty hectic.
'' jack '' learned real quick he wanted nothing that pig was giving and took to flight, straight back to me!!! at an oblique angle
left to right. this pig was more than angry is an understatment.

12"or less behind his jewels with mouth wide open and gaining.
these pigs have got wicked ivories on them and can shred a dog up.
it started about 75 yards away and all i could see/hear was a whrilwind cloud of dust and my dog squalling. at the speed of events and angle jack was bringing him back to me? [i think he was going to hide behind me} i was afraid to use cyl.bore 1100 with#8 for fear of hitting my dog,[ i lived that experience at 14] drawing my s.w. j-frame from left hand ass pocket i one armed the shot, taking the all important extra 1/2 second of front sight on target and hit it with a spine shot right behind it's right front shoulder and knocked it over, down but definitly not out, i had to run over and put 3 more into it's head because "jack" got brave again and this thing was far from dead! - after action report-
i made this one handed shot from 15 yards away reload 158swc
why it hit behind shoulder?i stopped my swing when 38 kissed off and these guys were running full tilt.
why it hit high in the spine? i studied on that one my self, seems when the javelina gets mad it throws up it's bristles making it about 1/3 bigger.
this happened fast, 5 seconds or less from realizing what is taking place to drawing/aiming/hitting.
why i made the shot? i had to, my buddies ass was fixin' to be tore up.

this is just ONE pistol shot i care to share, if you catch my drift CONVICT ! every person on this site "drops the hammer" you should be more lucid in your posting if at all possible. thanks
 

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had a pheasant run after I hit it with

1100. only shot my buddy had left for it. So I ran after the bird with 2" .38 snub. Had upside down hollowbase wadcutters in it. Bird was GAINING on me, so I one handed, DA a "salute" shot at it, from about 30 ft, and it hit it square in the back. Exit wound looked EXACTLY like entrance wound. Difference is, I KNOW a pure luck hit when I see one, Bsers like YOU claim differently, until I bet them $5000 to their $500 that they can't do it 6 x out of 10 tries. Less than 50% success is pure luck, like a coin toss's results.
 

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Lucky shot, I'm sure we have all had them.
 

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1100. only shot my buddy had left for it. So I ran after the bird with 2" .38 snub. Had upside down hollowbase wadcutters in it. Bird was GAINING on me, so I one handed, DA a "salute" shot at it, from about 30 ft, and it hit it square in the back. Exit wound looked EXACTLY like entrance wound. Difference is, I KNOW a pure luck hit when I see one, Bsers like YOU claim differently, until I bet them $5000 to their $500 that they can't do it 6 x out of 10 tries. Less than 50% success is pure luck, like a coin toss's results.
You really don't understand the probability thing. Not all random events are 50-50. not all non-random results are greater than 50%. We can go through this again if you want.

Oh, and you've been offered paid trips to prove us wrong. So drop that bs. The offer still stands to pay your way to SMTC, along with a travel waiver for your parole.

Plus, it's doubtful that you even have the $5k to begin with.

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lucky shot?

maybe it was a lucky shot, in your opinon, i could care, it's your right to have one! now i will admit impact on the spine for insant
vapor lock was an added bonus, having once shot one with .270win. @40yd. blowing out95% of it's heart on exit, it still ran 80yd. they are tough! but to call this a bullchit fairy tale is fightin' words and when it comes to a punch-up you'll give up ground like a rabbit, i like tusslin' with your type.

for the record i used to shoot my hand guns daily even if it was only 3to4 rounds and i don't mean .22's . hell i shoot that mod.#36 alot rattlers/RABBITS even a coyote once.

take heed of the man who carries a well worn gun it's a safe bet he can employ it to great effect.

i got no problem with the stated wager i'm on my way! the grilfriend is fixing my thermos. now let's see 62 miles east of durango puts at about a place called platoro, is that it davis? help me out now, i'll start gittin' fuzzed up looking for tennis shoe/wheelbarrel tracks around the local landfil ur, supermarket for you! thanks p.s. cash only!
 

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if they are "2 possible outcomes", then

50% or less performance IS just random luck. Not all evaluations involve ONLY 2 possible outcomes, dummy. But hit or MISS certainly is such a random thing. I didn't say it was bs, but it probably IS. What I said is that it was a LUCK hit, and I have thousands of $ that says you can't do the same thing again, 6 out of 10 tries. Put up or shut up, bser.
 

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Re: if they are "2 possible outcomes", then

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...6 out of 10 tries.
Saying "3 out of 5" is the correct form of the ratio given above, unless you're adding it to another ratio, in which the common denominator is 6.
 

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put up or shut up

dude, i have never been in more control/focus! it was like a laser beam tunnel shot. replicate that moment in time, times 10, not hardly! i could do it 5 out of 5, 10 out of 10, ect.ect.ect. it was easy for ME!, given the situation, but i only needed 1out of 1 to stop him from mangling my dog[hell, i was aiming for his right front shoulder] but 1 out of 1 is 100% on my score card.

now i'm gonna lightin' up on you,cuz' 50% of your posts are ur,.. ah,.. entertaining[but i'm easily entertained,and do not read half of your b.s. posts] but you ARE gonna' stop with the neg. names,blanket statements like you just came down off the mountain to preach to the unwashed masses[now thats funny] like your some kinda guru!

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50% or less performance IS just random luck. Not all evaluations involve ONLY 2 possible outcomes, dummy. But hit or MISS certainly is such a random thing. I didn't say it was bs, but it probably IS. What I said is that it was a LUCK hit, and I have thousands of $ that says you can't do the same thing again, 6 out of 10 tries. Put up or shut up, bser.
Except that it involves more than just firing the gun, so it isn't just a 50-50 thing.

Look at major league baseball. Specifically look at batting averages. Are they above 50%?

The batter will either get a hit or he won't. According to you, this is a 50-50 outcome. Certainly it is comparable with long range shooting. Skill is involved.

But yet averages are under .500 (50% for you GK)

so why are there different batting averages? Skill must be a factor, so it isn't random. A skilled player , may hit less than 50% but is still very skilled.

Or is it just dumb luck?

And if it is dumb luck, then why aren't the averages more evenly distributed?

Because skill comes in to play.

If the hitting a moving target were truly random, then the direction the muzzle was facing wouldn't matter.

What about follow through with the swing of the rifle as you track a moving target? does that matter? (not if it is random as you claim)

Should I continue?

Or DOES SKILL MATTER?

Does the equipment matter? if your rifle is only capable of 8" at 200 yds (from a bipod as you once bragged about), then will that matter at longer ranges? (not if it is random)

Are you starting to notice a pattern here?

Or do I have to continue to spell it out for you?

You finally admit to multiple outcomes existing - that's a big step, after you used a 1 in 13 example to try and prove your point about 50-50 outcomes. (don't deny this, I can insert the link here if you really want me to - and we know how you like to run away once your own post is held up to the light of day.)

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u bet your LIFE on a guy getting a safe

hit, dummy? u obviously dont know jack crap about odds,or what theyMEAN, tactically. ESPECIALLY the latter.
 

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it's so EASY for u, punk, I have $5000

to your $500 that you CAN'T do it,6 out of 10 tries. and for the RECORD, other punk, 3 tries is a LOT more likely to be just LUCK than is 6 tries. when you are Just toss a coin sometime, PROVE it to yourself. :) 3 "straight" heads is a LOT more likely to happen than is 6 straight heads.
 

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to your $500 that you CAN'T do it,6 out of 10 tries. and for the RECORD, other punk, 3 tries is a LOT more likely to be just LUCK than is 6 tries. when you are Just toss a coin sometime, PROVE it to yourself. :) 3 "straight" heads is a LOT more likely to happen than is 6 straight heads.
Duh on the coin toss, in fact the odds of 6 heads in 6 tosses is:

.5 x .5 x .5 x .5 x .5 x .5 = .015625, or 1.5625% chance. Which likewise means that there is a 98.4375% chance that you will not get 6 heads in a row.

and btw 3/5 = 6/10 they are both .6 But you knew that and just pretended you didn't - right?

what's your point?

But, you insist that hitting or missing is strickly a 50-50 deal. Does the direction the gun is pointing matter? If so, then it isn't a simple probability like you try to make it out to be.

I know it is complex, bit at some point you have to realize you can't argue the math. You can't.

another silly bet, another waste of time.

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Sorry, I left out the three heads in a row, which is;

.5 x .5 x .5 = .125 or 12.5% chance of getting the three heads and an 87.5% chance of not getting three heads in a row.

but again, you knew that - right?

so, roughly you are 10 times as likely to get three heads in a row as you are 6. (close enough. I know it's 9. something)

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