or no evidence of the bullet yawing or fragging, but they are still fairly effective. There is no comparison whatsover, however, with the effects you can observe when you hit the same critters with a good softpoint. Since there's zero reason not to have either 60 gr V Max or Nosler Partitions in at least several of the mags for any 223 intended for combat or survival poaching, all this bitching about the 223 ball rd is just stupidity. Quit being an idiot about how many rds you will be firing, and still survive by any means other than LUCK. If you are firing so much, it might as well be with .22lr, cause you are just MISSING.