[andy]

need an INSTANT stop. anyone can prove that,on animals.Heavy bullets, going faster, do little better, and they are uncontrolable inlw, compact ccw guns. They are also not AP. My very fast, very lw,very HARD prefrags ARE AP, and they ARE controlable,and animal tests prove that they beat HELL out of jhp's whenit comes to having an INSTANT effect on the critter.

If you'd like to shoot 10 dogs, thru one lung,from the front,the way MEN get shot, with any heavy bullet that offers the SAME 6 hit per second repeat hit speed,in a 28 oz, 7.8" long gun as my 460 load (70grs, 2300 fps), and bet, say, $5000 that they don't run further than the 10 I so shoot with that 460 prefrag,I'd be HAPPY to take your money. Your silly assed 230 gr .45 jhp,at 800fps aint crap as a manstopper. Neither is your 200 gr bullet at 900 fps, or your 185 gr bullet at 1000 fps. Get a 160 gr .45 going 1200 fps, and you have a fair load, but the repeat hit speed is questionable, in a lw,compact gun.

 

[Half elf]

Augila makes a Alloy load that IIRC is a 125 gr at 1600FPS would that approach the type you search? I do not have any faith in wildcats that duplicate a already proven round, they are reinventing the wheel, and not even getting that right. Animal test subjects could be a indicator of deeper problems, and you might want to seek some help with this before it screws up your life, OOPS sorry too late. By the way how do you get 6 hit per second rate of fire and keep it accurate in a LW Comander, or similar compact? that rate of fire seems a bit high for aimed fire, and way to high for accurate aimed fire. Someone used to say "Speed is fine, but accuracy is final.

 

[andy]

no problem at all getting .20 sec splits, on 10" circle at 10ft, with a lw Commander, using my 460 loads. I know you are math-challenged, but TRY multiplying the bullet wt, in grs, times the velocity in fps, and toss out the irrelevant zeroes. 70grs x2300 fps is the same as 230 grs x 700 fps, in that equation. What doesn't show, tho is that you need about 10 grs more powder to get the 2300 fps, and at least SOME of that powder has to be calculated as "ejecta", for purposes of calculatiing recoil So 70 grs at 2300 fps recoils like 230 grs at 780 or so fps. About like commercial Winchester 230 gr ball in a lw Commander.

Unlike you, I am aware that a LOT of missing of the chest gets done at 10 ft,when it's for REAL, and that 10 ft covers nearly 90% of the justifiable civilian defensive SHOOTING. Since 90% of all attacks dont REQUIRE hitting ANYBODY with a bullet,(if you get the gun out and VISIBLE to the attacker,in time) we are talking about 10 ft covering 99% of all attacks. ]

timed from the first shot, .20 second means 6 hits in 1 second. such a load and gun CAN get 7 hits per second, too, but it takes a guy who REALLY works at it a lot.

I don't trust Mexican 'quality control", and that load aint very hot at all,in a .45 ACP. It aint AP, and doesn't have but about 2/3rds of the energy of my 460 load.

What wheel do you "think" I'm "reinventing", hmm? WHAT 28 oz, 7.8" gun had a load that offered .45 ACP type recoil, AP performance, and 800 ft lbs, hmm? You are talking out of your ass.

 

[mrostov]

Talk about crawling from a time capsule.

Your opinion of .45ACP hollowpoints became obsolete right about 1990 due to modern advances in metalurgy and computer assisted bullet design.

Hey I miss the 1970's too, but, unfortunately, they did go away.

 

[Half elf]

If You have powder used as "Ejecta" is that not a wasted amount of powder?. If combustion continues after the slug leaves the barrel isn't it at the max. velocity?, and unaffected by the fireball?. I do not need a timer to tell me I am competent with my pistol. The last "Hostage Stage" I shot with my CCW pistol I had time to insert a 2nd magazine and fire 3 more rds on a 15rd mag. I had 5sec at 7.5yds, 6sec at 10yd, 7sec at 15yd, 8sec at 25yds, and 10sec at 35yds. I scored a 130out of 160 possible and my only misses were on the closer targets where I shot through the hostages by accident.

 

[andy]

slowfire like that doesn't teach you real speed.

"ejecta' counts IN the bore,when calculating recoil.

U r simply fos. You BELIEVE bs put out by bullet makers. I'm TELLING you, PURE, SOFT LEAD doesn't expand well at all in flesh, below 900 fps,(.45 bore) or 1000 fps, .36 bore) and no WAY the lead core of jhp's is softer, OR that jackets DON'T require a higher velocity than just the pure lead bullet. I shot plenty of critters with them, in 1998, and nothing's changed.

 

[RIKA]

"I shot plenty of critters with them, in 1998, and nothing's changed."

Hey! Wait a minute. You weren't released from prison til 2000 so how did you shoot them in 1998. A little fantasy maybe?

RIKA

 

[Half elf]

I use Aguila IQ slugs in 9mm, and they do expand, unlike your mind. I do not know how "ejecta" is figured in recoil, and do not care when I reload I follow the reccomended dose's and do not vary "Just to see what would happen". I don't vare about Your ubber tactical wildcat only, need a milling set to create slug under cut, ream the chamber, head space with the extractor, and hope for the best gun. I want easy to shoot, reliable, accurate, and cheap to enjoy pistol ammo.

 

[andy]

.22 is cheap to enjoy, reliable, accuurate, easy to shoot, <font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font>.

 

[andy]

the ccw gun and load are for your LIFE, <font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font>, you can play around with some thing ELSE.

 

[Aslan]

slowfire like that doesn't teach you real speed.

"ejecta' counts IN the bore,when calculating recoil.

U r simply fos. You BELIEVE bs put out by bullet makers. I'm TELLING you, PURE, SOFT LEAD doesn't expand well at all in flesh, below 900 fps,(.45 bore) or 1000 fps, .36 bore) and no WAY the lead core of jhp's is softer, OR that jackets DON'T require a higher velocity than just the pure lead bullet. I shot plenty of critters with them, in 1998, and nothing's changed.

Except that the cavities of modern hollowpoints are designed to actually cause the fluids (tissue) in the cavity to act as if it were traveling faster than it is and the compressability of the fluids within the cavity will cause it to expand much more easily and much more quickly than soft lead. This is where your '70s disco load knowledge fails you.

:devil:

 

[Half elf]

Who made You expert?, How much of what You "know" is real world VS the world in your head?, and why must You come off as such a insufferable jerk all the time? If we are so stupid why do You keep associating with us. My CCW weapon, and loads are a personal choice in 9mm, and Yes I would carry a .22 if that is all that I had. You've posted before that most times shots aren't even rerquired, but keep blathering on about these wildcats that aren't a proven load, ejecta thats wasting powder, slugs cast from tin that are counter-sunk on both ends to acheive nirvana lightness. It can only happen one way or the other, Either a .22 is acceptable, or You need small tactical nukes on demand?. Please take pity on those of us who are not on the same meds and engage brain before typing, also if You tried civilty once in a while people might be a little more tolerant of the garbage that spewed foth with each posting. One final point, turning one conversation into 15 new threads is not a bragging point it is a sign of confusion, keep on topic, and don't jump threads and the rest of us might try to figure out what You are trying to say.

 

[DJetAce]

The Texas Highway Patrol has dropped 'hundreds of critters' to. They have found the .45 ACP worked very well (Sig 220.) They went to the Sig in .357 Sig cause they found the .357 MAGNUM worked even better than the .45 (they are on record as saying the .45 was quite good, but they wanted that lighting bolt stop the .357 Magnum gave them.) So they went to the .357 Sig and they say it 'works ever time'.

Unlike dumbkid they DO really shoot for REAL and they have been in many shootings. And they DO have professionals do autopsies.

They don't mess with pos chopped Stars or pre-frags or any such clap trap. These are professionals that kick ass every day (unlike dumbkid who is a pansy wannabe with ZERO combat experience.)

 

[Aslan]

One final point, turning one conversation into 15 new threads is not a bragging point it is a sign of confusion, keep on topic, and don't jump threads and the rest of us might try to figure out what You are trying to say.

He has never been able to stay on topic or keep discussion within a single thread. Part of his strategy is to keep switching threads whenever someone brings up a valid point that shows him to be wrong or mistaken. Then he simply posts in multiple threads until that evidence slips off the page. He actually admitted this strategy once in a fit of rage, where he claimed he could bury our posts so they fell of the page.

He also likes to repat himself, but does so in mutliple threads accross multiple forums so that he can claim he never repeats himself.

He lacks any discipline, which is why he cannot keep his thoughts in a single thread, nor can he follow the topics in a particular forum. Hence rifle posts in a shotgun forum, reloading information in a rifle forum, and martial arts in a reloading forum.

Whenever he is called on this, he claims superiority and that because he is so "wonderful" he doesn't have to follow any rules.

Personally, I think that whenever he blatantly posts off topic, his post should be deleted, not moved. When it is moved for him, he learns that he is special and doesn't have to follow the rules at all.

He is special, in a short bus drama queen sort of way.

:devil: