So, it's after SHTF, it's finally here...

b0B_ said:

See a scraggly looking guy with a backpack and camo pants, now? Not a big deal is it? He could be that guy with a car15 in his pack and pistol in his pocket. Or he could be just any other transient/backpacker guy.

See a guy (again NOW not "SHTF") dressed in full camo with LBV, rifle slung across back (or in hand), big belt gun strapped to side and camo backpacks, etc. There will be little doubt what this person is or what he has....

The aforementioned fellow at least has a chance of making it through populated areas without being harrassed or fired upon. The later guy is in for a world of trouble.

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oh, I don't know if that is 100% true or not. I had a real pleasant conversation with a ranger in Sitgraves Nat'l forrest a few months back, I was in full cammo BDU's with WEB gear and an FAL.

Wasn't shot, wasn't hassled, was maybe given a glance or two, but that's it.

Whenever we go coyote or varmint hunting - full camo bdu's, side arms - go into a store or resturant, nobody cares. It isn't that unusual here.

Now, I have no doubt that some cities, some areas of the country, that the situation may be different.

You just can't make a blanket statement and apply it everywhere.

I live in an open carry state. I also have a ccw.

People are armed here.

it's NORMAL.

:devil:

b0B_ said:

See a scraggly looking guy with a backpack and camo pants, now? Not a big deal is it? He could be that guy with a car15 in his pack and pistol in his pocket. Or he could be just any other transient/backpacker guy.

See a guy (again NOW not "SHTF") dressed in full camo with LBV, rifle slung across back (or in hand), big belt gun strapped to side and camo backpacks, etc. There will be little doubt what this person is or what he has....

The aforementioned fellow at least has a chance of making it through populated areas without being harrassed or fired upon. The later guy is in for a world of trouble.

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BIG BAD MELVIN....the New Song

Every mornin' on the Hill you could see him arrive
Standing six-foot, weighing about one-twenty-five
Kinda' scrawny at the shoulders and lacking a spine
And when he spoke at all, it was mainly to whine
(Big MELVIN, Big MELVIN) Big Bad MELVIN

Nobody seems to know what's in MELVIN'S soul
His 'beliefs' are based on the latest poll
'Though he'll say what it takes to get your notes
It's the criminal agenda that he really promotes -
Big Bad MELVIN.

Some one said he came from an Illinois town
Where he joined the Army and gained renown
'Earning' three shooting medals, Yup he's a star
The home folks said, "This boy will go far"
(Big MELVIN, Big MELVIN) Big Bad MELVIN (Big MELVIN)

Then came a day back in '81
When he renounced all the shooting medals that he had won
Then MELVIN turned against his country and his shooter friends
And sold them out for his own selfish ends (Big MELVIN)

He appeared before judge and had to leave for a prisoners woe's
Giving aid and comfort to policemen's foes
It was clear to see whose side he was on
Some say he helped cause the fall of respect for a moron- Big MELVIN
(Big MELVIN, Big MELVIN) Big Bad MELVIN (Big MELVIN)

He claims to be a member the working porti-potti poor
Yet his wife owns mansions from shore to shore
He never had to work a day in his life
'cause he learned it helps to have a wealthy wife! - Big MELVIN

Now he wants to be rid of TAPPAN and others, our Survival docents
and be a Commander-in-chief of those he resents:
The American soldiers who fight and die
To give him the freedom to tell us his lies
(Big MELVIN, Big MELVIN) Big Bad MELVIN (Big MELVIN)

Thousands have sacrificed their young lives
To help ensure that our nation survives
A vote for MELVIN is a slap in the face
To all the brave soldiers that he's disgraced

FADE (Big MELVIN, Big MELVIN) Big Bad MELVIN (Big MELVIN)

Come on gunkid, I'll post my kit list;

Canadian 82 Pattern Web Gear (left to right)

1) Pistol Mag Pouch (2 mags)

2) Rifle Mag Pouch (2 mags)

3) Gas Mask Carrier (contains) C4 mask
(side pouch) 2x decontamination mitts CW
2 pkg Detector Chemical Agent
2 pkg Paper Chemical Agent Detector
5.56mm Cleaning rod and brush
shaving brush
36x 6" pipe cleaners
small pair of needle nose pliers

4) 1 Quart canteen w/ cover & cup (cup for boiling water)

5) Buttpack (24 hours)
- 1 pr wool socks in ziplock bag
- 120 ml bottle of SPF 30 sunblock
- 50 mg Bottle of footpowder
-1/2 roll of charmin in ziplock bag
-1 survival fishing kit
-1 wire saw
-2 rolls snare wire
-1 Hexamine solid fuel cooker
-1 toothbrush
-3 oz hair shampoo
-1 spare rubber air mattress plug
-1 comb
-50 yds dental floss
-1 chapstick
-12 electo plast bandaids
-1 olive drab hand towel
-2 arctic candles
-1 range card w/ sentry orders on back
-1 small bar of soap
-1 cntr Tylenol caplets
-12 aspirin
-1x50 ml bottle bug juice w/ deet
-10' paracord
-2x patches for rubber air mattress
-1 Sewing kit
-1 Tube camouflage face paint
-1 pair ear plugs
-1 box waterproof matches
-1 serving Mountain House Lasagna
-1 Plastic food container 8"x5"x2"
- 1x46gm bag of plain rice
- 2x 45 gm bag instant potatoes
-2x 50 gm Blueberry apple cereal
-4x 4 gm pkg coffeemate
-2x 28 gm pkg Hot Chocolate
-3x pkg pepper
-4x pkg salt
-1 small plastic spoon
-1x book matches
-1x 6 gm pkg lifesavers
-4 pkg Bovril Beef Bouillon Mix
-8 Butterscotch Hard Candies

6) Carrier Pouch: Gortex Rain Jacket

7) Pouch containing KFS & pocket knife (18" para cord attaches knife to webbing)

8) 1 Qt canteen, carrier & cup(cup for washing)

9) Mag pouch x2 Rifle

10) Compass w/ silva compass

11) Harness- 2x Field Bandages
- 2x Carabiners
-1x Plastic Clarger for 5.56mm Stripper Clips


Patrol Pack (Canadian Army Experimental 1,900 cu in) (3-4 days)

1) Ranger Blanket

2) Combat sweater

3) Fleece Jacket

4) Field Message Pad w/ protractor
2 Range Cards
Aide Memoire Battlefield First Aid
2 Pens
pencil
2 highlighters

5) Neoprene/Nylon/Fleece gloves

6)6x single meal packs in quart sized ziplock freezer bags, each contains
-1x50 g bag Instant flavoured oatmeal
-1x45g bag Instant Mashed Potatoes
-2x4g envelopes Coffeemate
-3x envelopes salt
-3x envelopes pepper
-2x envelopes Bovril Beef Bouillon Mix
-2x envelopes tea
-1x envelope fruit beverage powder
-1x43g tube of honey or 1x34 g tube of peanut butter
-1x pack flavoured gum
-1x pack 10 hard candies (Werthers Butterscotch)
-1x envelope Hot Chocolate
-1x 28g package beef jerky
-1x Package Cup a Soup
-1x Book of Matches

7) 8x35 binoculars

8) 4 local topo maps, 1 provincial grid map, 1 provincial highway maps

9) Rifle Cleaning kit

10) 50' Para Cord

11) 1 roll charmin in ziplock bag

12) Odds & Ends Bag- 3x Tube Cam Cream Black
(ziplock bag) Brown
Green
- NVG Green Fingerlight
- Sewing Kit
- Bug Juice
- Water Purification Tablets
-Waterproof Matches
-Kleenex
- Book: Platoon Commanders Aide Memoire



Rucksack (Dana Classic Bombpack, 3,200 cu in) (10+ days)

1) Sleeping Bag
(complete includes inner, outer, flannelette liner, air mattress, sheet utility, bivy bag)
2) toque
3) combat shirt
4) combat trousers (lightweight)
5) combat sweater
6) combat gloves with wool liner
7) undershirts x2
8) underwearx2
9) socks greyx2pr
10) spare boot laces
11) boot silicone (DOUBLE zip locked bagged)
12) Forest green Aladdin coffee cup w/ lid
13) 1/2 Roll of Charmin (zip lock bag)
14) olive drab fleece jecket
15) Rain suit pants
16) 8x single meal packs in quart sized ziplock freezer bags, each contains
-1x50 g bag Instant flavoured oatmeal
-1x45g bag Instant Mashed Potatoes
-2x4g envelopes Coffeemate
-3x envelopes salt
-3x envelopes pepper
-2x envelopes Bovril Beef Bouillon Mix
-2x envelopes tea
-1x envelope fruit beverage powder
-1x43g tube of honey or 1x34 g tube of peanut butter
-1x pack flavoured gum
-1x pack 10 hard candies (Werthers Butterscotch)
-1x envelope Hot Chocolate
-1x Book of Matches
17) 2x 1 Quart canteen w/ cover and cup

Note:
- I have rifle magazine pouches for double mags in 7.62mm NATO (currently on webbing), double mag pouches in 5.56mm, & double en bloc clip pouches for the M1 Garand changing them to suit the appropriate rifle is less than 10 minutes work;
-additional "en block" clips would be carried in British 5.56mm bandoleers, nylon with a closable snap;
- Holster used is the US M7 holster in which I carried a handgun on duty while in the Military while overseas and in the field.
- On my pants belt is located my Gerber Multi Tool and Mini Mag w/ assorted filters.