the canned, 11" CAR-15 easily-enough reaches 400 yd torsos, about 3/4 of the time. Since that's about twice the range that the .30 carbine, 30-30, 44 lever, AK clowns have, and since you NEVER DARE tell THEM that their choices are "too short ranged", you are just fos with your claims about the CAR-15.