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they dont need any gear. Because they imagine that they'll get to some sort of shelter, and that it wont be cold rain/wind or bugs. But if you can't get to that shelter in just a very few minutes, you can easily have malaria, Dengue, etc, which will kill you in a very few days, if you cant get to modern medical care. Ditto being so messed up from the cold that you can't even work a zipper or open a folding knife.

You can get small, well sealed, plastic bottles with screw on lids, to hold liquid bug repellant and bio-degradable soap and youll have need of both, sooner rather than later.

You can be incapacitated in a just 2-3 minutes, if it's wet, cold windy. Sure, you wont be dead (yet) but if you dont get to shelter/help, you soon will be among the departed. It might take a week for the pneumonia to finish you off, but it probably WILL do so if you dont get help.

If you have a stainless steel canteen cup, a lighter, a ferro-rod, a small knife, a keychain LED (and your cell phone) for light, some vasolined cotton-balls, a modified SOL bivvy, some bank line, a sawyer mini-filter, some iodine, an Ace bandage,, a completely enveloping bug net, a sail needle, a small roll of tape, a monofilament gill net (folded and tied into the hammock configuration) pen, pad, treblehooks and monofilament line, a couple of gallon ziplock bags, with your stuff inside of them to keep it dry. IF you know what to DO, you'll be ok (for a week or so) almost anywhere, short of being on the ocean, the desert or the Artic for a week (or maybe even a month.) A week should be plenty of time for the search and rescue people to have found you, unless you've been dumb enough to go "out there" without telling a couple of reliable people where you're going and when you are to be expected to call them. A rental satellite phone is of course a great idea, too!

Such conditions mean you wont sleep waf unless you take along some timed-release Ambian 10mg tablets. 5-7 hours of SOLID rest per night can easily make all the difference, when everything else is messed-up.

Without this gear, tho, you can be in bad trouble in just minutes, even if you haven't broken your leg. Total weight is about 3 lbs. If your area of choice does not have water every 1/4 mile, better carry some, at least a couple of bottles.

This is assuming that you know enough to have proper "field" clothing for your area and climate, of course. garand and terry probably ARE dumb enough to be out there naked, but hopefully nobody else is.

Especially in the mountains, temps can drop to 50+F in midday. Add wind, rain and darkness, and you can get snow, with all the attendant problems and risks that snow causes. In warmer areas, bugs can mess you up
BADLY in a few minutes, it just depends upon what disease they are carrying.

Given the velcro seams in the modified SOL escape bivvy, you can wear it as you gather firewood or seek other shelter. You can use the drawstrings at neck and around the hood, to tie yourself upright, sitting with your back to a tree, or to tie yourself in a hammock, up out of reach of dog packs, or out of the flood. The less of yourself you have in contact with the ground, the less heat loss you'll have to conduction. The bug netting, with some debris, can make for a lot of insulative value, when it's worn inside of the bivvy. Sometimes, there's no dry spot big enough to lie down upon, or your hidey hole aint big enough to allow it, or there's thorns everywhere, etc.
 

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Please show up pics of your kit!
 

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add a pocket 9mm, a silenced, lw, compact .22lr handgun, half a gallon of water and you should be able to make do, pretty much anywhere and anytime. Naturally, this presumes that you have more sense than to be out when it's below zero and snow up to your ass. Such conditions call for serious survival gear, and a lot more cold weather survival knowledge than the average person possesses. Say, a 10 lb total.
 

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You know nothing about the real outdoors. I hike in the woods more in one week than you probably have in the last 10 years. Your suggestions are hypothetical stuff you read on the internet. Since you need a "pocket nine" and .22 w/ suppressor, what do YOU do? You have neither. You can't even post a picture of your (imaginary) gear.
 

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The basic premise of OPs post is correct; many people under-estimate how long they could go in the wild without supplies. If they're perhaps urban people who never spend any time in the outdoors other than some time in an urban park, they don't understand how fast the elements can overwhelm an unprepared person.
I've leave the debate about suppressed weapons to OP
 

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welcome here, new guy
Thanks. More like "welcome back"
I guess I lost the link to the site after registering when a computer died eons ago. I was googling some topic recently and a thread here popped up, was surprised to find I'd already registered 10 years ago.
Catching up on old threads now
 

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...many people... ...don't understand how fast the elements can overwhelm an unprepared person...
Agree; it's often simply a matter of ignorance due to lack of experience. A lot of things seem easy or simple when we're looking at them from the outside, but are actually more involved than is realized at first.
 
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