[Glenn Bartley]

Sound suppressors, sufficient to muffle a 9mm or 22LR and for use in an emergency bigtime SHTF situation can be made in a matter of minutes. All it takes is some duct tape and a few tin cans or aluminum cans, or a plastic soda bottle. Granted these are crude and aiming with them is ludicrous so you need to be in fairly close, but they work fine for that SPY VERSUS SPY type of work or too bring down a deer that you sneaked up on in the dark of night in a survival situation. I do not condone making them, but it is possible to do it with materials readily at hand. Of course they work best if using a bolt action rifle or pistol as too much noise escapes a semi auto from the breech as the slide moves back, but even they if you use subsonic ammo they are pretty quiet. :dgrin:

 

[RIKA]

Glenn, have these items been actually been tested and found to be efficient - from your reading research? What kind of DB reduction do you get ... say compared to a 22
Colibri or a CB long.

Not a flame.

RIKA

 

[Glenn Bartley]

I have witnessed them being fired, they are a lot less noisy than firing the same weapon using the same ammo. So if you fire subsonic ammo like I suggested out of a non suppressed gun then suppress with one of these the sound is very reduced. As to decibels, Inhave no clue, but the first time I witnessed a guy firing through the soda can silencer he put it together in less than 2 minutes, slapped it on a pistol (I think a Browning 22) and shot 5 shots out of it only 20 or 30 feet away from many people walking by on the street and no one even glanced out way. Yeah it made noise but did not sound like gun shots. I was pretty much awed by this simple but rather effective suppresor. It was literally two soda cans taped together in a certain way and shoved over the barrel and the barrel had some tape around it to help make a seal and keep the barrel from being scratched. It was shown to me as a training aid.

I have also seen/heard the soda bottle silencer being used at a police range as part of a demonstration. It was also pretty darned effective with subsonic ammo.

I strongly recommend against making any suppresors unless you are doing it legally somewhere.

 

[andy]

u have to be close, all right, so close you could hit the target with a hatchet. Duct tape my ass. For a can to be worth a crap, you need MUCH more regidity than can be achieved with duct tape as a mounting-method. If you just fire a rd thru a tube full of fiberglass insulation, or steel wool, the gun is STILL way too loud, and the "stuffings' are burned out in one shot

No, ejection port pop is NOT loud. You'd have to have a REALLY good can to NOTICE the ejection port sound at all. The sort of lame crap you are talking about is way too loud for anyone to notice the diff between a bolt action and an auto.

 

[andy]

Paladin's silencer video shows a .22 pistol blowing apart an apple. Go shoot an apple with a .22 pistol. The REASON Paladin's apple is shattered is that the bullet was TUMBLING end over end, from having had a baffle strike. A 22 pistol will PERHAPS crack open an apple, but not shatter it in dozens of little bits, IF the bullet is flying straight, anyway.

 

[andy]

u'd have 3-4x the effective range of crap like this, on a deer or a man, with a bow and arrow. So why bother, hmm? With a .22, u'd better BRAIN that deer, if you want to eat it. That means you'd have to be in touching distance of it, to hit it with a pc of crap "silencer" like you are talking about here. A 9mm needs a LOT more "silencing' than does a .22. It's burning a lot more powder, and the bore is a lot larger in diameter. with a proper can, 5" of 1" tube will really suppress a .22 pistol. To do the same with a full charge 9mm load, you'd need 7" of 1 1/4" tube. That's a lot more internal volume. Do the match. Area =radius squared, times 3.14, and then multipy by the length of the cylinder. A 1 liter pop bottle, filled with styrofoam packing peanuts, can silence a .22 pretty well, but you'd need a LOT more volume, and a LOT better mounting system to suppress a 9mm worth a hoot.

 

[Glenn Bartley]

You have absolutely no idea of what you are speaking about the distance to shoot the deer with this type of a suppresor. You obviously have never heard of them or tried them, and if you were half the survivalist you claim to be you would know they both work in a pinch.

As to why bother HMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMM with a pitol when you can use a bow and arrow, are you out of your mind shooting a deer at night with a ow andarrow, or better still using it tactically. You know so little about hunting or tactics that you don't recommend a cross bow over a bow and arrow. HMMMMMMMM are you ever so funny.


Certaibnly a well made suppressor is preferable bu these work in desperate situations, and work well. There is also an effective silencer made from baby bottle nipples, for close in assasination type work, but of course you would not know abo9ut that either would you. This method was once taught to members of the OSS, CIA, and other such groups when assinations were in vogue.

This post was about improvising, and by your replies you again show that you are unable to do so, and my guess would be this is because you do not have the brain power to do so or only know of what you read in books and then repeat it here.

As to the sound coming out of the ejection port, the sound virtually is moving as fast as it does from the muzzle. If the ammo is not subsonic then it will make the cracking sound as it exceeds mach 1. That crack is loud enough to be imistakeable as a gun shot. The most effectively suppressed weapon is one in which the action remains closed after firing and all the sound exits at one end, into the suppresor.

 

[Hard Rock]

What you say is true Glenn and I've made the items you describe (legally for instruction purposes) and they work only sometimes. If you have no other option, yes, go that route. If you can do better, then do it.

Mike

 

[John in AR]

RE: ejection port noise.

My suppressor's designed for sustained (even full-auto) 5.56 use, so when using it with .22LR, it's VERY quiet. With 'normal' subsonics, the loudest noise literally is the bolt cycling.

However, (comma), using the 60-grain SSS load, the ejection-port noise IS very pronounced, to the point where IT is the loudest thing upon firing; a pronounced "pop". I assume this to be due to the heavy projectile, combined with the blowback nature of the .22 unit's bolt. Assuming similar velocity with this much heavier bullet, in a blowback action, means the bolt's got more force pushing it back, to open and eject; which (again, I assume) means it's opening faster (more force pushing against the bolt than normal). Opening faster means opening sooner after ignition, which means opening with more pressure still in the chamber/barrel; which means more is going to escape out the ejection port.

Also, could be that the SSS is using coarser or slower-burning powder; that could be a factor as well.

I'm no physicist, and the "why" of it are just assumptions on my part. But there's no question that with the 60-grain SSS load, the gun's a LOT louder than with the 38-grain Remington subs I usually use. It's just one of those things you just learn by experimenting; rather than just assume (as I would have) that all subsonic .22's would be similarly quiet.

 

[andy]

Possibly also, it's the Aquila's shorter case, so the residual gases are released into the air sooner?

 

[andy]

your post is about BS, same as all the others. I tried all that bs as a kid, and it aint worth a hoot. Hey, dumbass, did I say it's PRACTICAL to lug around a bow and arrows, or fight with them? All you have to do with the jerkoff type of "silencer" is throw it away, and you STILL have a .22 auto

The quietest gun is the non-auto, of course, but since you are REALLY likely to miss the brain with such clunker pcs, better FIGURE on having fast repeat shots. If the guy starts SCREAMING or shooting, what GOOD did it do you to have the silencer, hmm?

If the deer runs off, and has dog piss all over it before you find it, why waste the shell, dumbass?

 

[Glenn Bartley]

Andy,

So Andy have you changed your tune, or has an alter-ego emerged ready to discuss how much noise comes out of the action when the firearm cycles? First you tell me:

"No, ejection port pop is NOT loud. You'd have to have a REALLY good can to NOTICE the ejection port sound at all."

Now you are ready to discuss the sound that comes out of the action with John in AR who clearly stated that the noise is rather loud even with some sub-sonic ammunition.

Now imagine if you will just how loud it can be with super-sonic ammo such as a +P round. There is definitely a cracking noise associated with super-sonic ammunition as the speed of the gases exceeds mach 1. This is sometimes heard coming from the action on suppressed firearms - not always, mind you, but quite often depending upon the ammunition, the tyope of firearm, and the weight of the slide among other things. This is why I mentioned using subsonic ammo in the first place, and why I recommend a closed and locked bolt action as preferable for suppressed firearms and the most effective sound suppression. While the efficacy of subsonic ammunition may vary with regard to how well the sound is suppressed, it should nonetheless always (if manufactured properly to actually be sub-sonic) avoid the cracking noise associated with breaking the sound barrier.

Of course you apparently knew better then but as usual, in my estimation, you have changed your tune just a couple of posts later.

Once again, I am lauighing as I suspect are most others here - you seem to me to flip flop as much or more than John Kerry. Maybe you should buy stock in a House Of Pan Cakes instead of talking guns
Sincerely,
Glenn B.

 

[andy]

it aint loud ENOUGH to make not having rapidfire a good idea, when your lame assed can means you can't hit the head beyond 6 ft, with any reliability at all, dumbass. That's what I already SAID, you just can't READ, that's all.

 

[Glenn Bartley]

Every excuse you can make for your having looked bad because you were wrong again, isn't that really all your answer means?????

 

[andy]

I didn't MAKE any mistakes,punk. Anybody can check it out and SEE that you and your kidstuff crap is exactly what I said, kid stuff crap. Since your "can" won't be quiet ENOUGH at the muzzle, whatever extra sound comes out of the ejection port won't matter any. It will be masked-lost in the blast that's still present at the end of your joke of a suppressor.

 

[andy]

If a can aint quiet ENOUGH, it doesn't MATTER how many db reduction it had. It could have 15 db, 20 db, etc, but if it's still TOO LOUD, then it's a pos.

 

[Glenn Bartley]

They work when put together correctly. Too bad you don't know how to make one, it could be a real life saver in an emergency when you find yourself with a can and the S has HTF. Whoops I forgot, that bulge in your pants, that isn't you is it, so I imagine its it your suppressor?

 

[Garand]

That's not where he hides his suppressor........................