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let go of your gun. Have the fingers bent a bit, to prevent breakage, do your pushups on fingertips, to build their strength, and shove them THRU his eyeballs, thru the(thin) bone of the occiptal sockets, and STIR his brains with them . He's trying to take your gun so that he can KILL you, so ANYTHING that you do to counter that is justifiable, and QUITE necessary.
 

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Andy says: "shove them THRU his eyeballs, thru the(thin) bone of the occiptal sockets, and STIR his brains with them."

Is what he said possible and easy to do?

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Erika, his training comes from the Three Stoogies. Fits him to a 'T'.
 

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If there's a lot of movement, i.e.: thrashing around, you might be better off using a slapping motion to the side of the guy's head and striking with your thumb into his eye.

You aren't likely to kill him thusly, but it is also a lot harder for you to miss in your eye strike. The placing of your hand against his face will allow you to make the stike land where it is needed even if his head is moving around a lot.

You can even do this while trying to keep separation between you and him. (Think in terms of pushing his head away.

The motion is pretty simple - once the fingers make contact with the side of the head, you thrust the thumb forward. You can try this in air to get a sense of the motion.

It also requires little in the way of strength or special training to do.

Unless the guy is totally hopped up on something, he will forget about going for your gun if you damage or put out an eye.

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the kid is kinda close!

the eyes are always prime targets!


i trained a little ti-chi with a released death row inmate[long story!, AND THAT BLACK MO-FO, IS ONE SLICK COMBATANT!, [I AM FEARLESS YOU KNOW!]]
long story short .


the throat is the quick/ideal fight stopper!


gouge the eyes when your screeming like a little girl ,rolling in the dirt, with some one tring to kill you.

thanks.


[i broke a mans eye orbiter bone in a fist fight once, and when he blew the blood from his nose after wards his right eye 'popped' out! [ i am not proud/nor ashamed, [he attacked me from behind,hitting me in the back of the head, and he recesived NAVAL GUNFIRE]and spent 3 days in the V.A.
 

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Aslan is right.
 

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poke 'is eyes out!

If you do go for the eyes, which, as Brass Hammer says, are always prime targets, the best technique is to use a flicking motion with the back of your hand (fingers) just like you would a backfist, but then open your hand. Apply a short sharp slap across the eyes. (You might get both!) It won't work if you are too close, and you might look a little goofy, but have you ever had a tree branch smack you lightly but quickly right in the eye? This is the same kind of effect. For at least a handful of seconds your guys' eyes will be watering so bad he won't be able to think. Then you can shoot him or run away or whatever.

(Forgot to mention that the main advantage is having all four fingers flying at him at once. It is harder to execute a perfect straight-finger eye gouge directly in front of you while wrestling over a gun.) Good luck!

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Very similar to doing a "tiger" strike where the fingers rake the eyes - there's two types of tiger style eye strikes we use. one, very much like you describe, but with more of a circular motion - think crane then opening fingers and making a small quick circle with your hand as it opens.
the other is more of the raking of the finger tips accross the face (palm of hand faces the direction of travel.)

Both methods are very effective. In weapon rentention scenario, I prefer using the thumb in the eye while pushing the head away from me.


Another good one is to take two fingers and jab them into the soft tissue at teh top of the sternum, where your neck meets you torso. As you drive your fingers in, pull down.

Very painful, very effective. can also be done while creating space between you and your assailant - you can be pushing them away as you do this.

Once you are at that extreme cqb, I don't like breaking contact to do a strike. By maintaining contact, you maintain control.

If you ever want to frustrate someone when sparring with them, learn some "sticky hands" techniques...

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Yessss...Sticky hands! I have heard of this, but thus far have been unable to find anyone who can effectively explain or demonstrate this. Care to take a shot?
 

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Basically, it amounts to: once we make contact, I keep the contact.

So you strike with your right and I block with my left, but I don't retract the block. I keep contact with your arm moving long or short as you move your arm. Same thing with the other arm. I maintain contact and therefore control what you can or cannot do. It isn't strength on strength, it is redirection of force and keeping enough pressure to make you use energy.

If you try to make it strength on strength, you will lose. You can also trade off hands that keep the contact as you go.

Falling leaves is a good example of this. Lets say you strike at me with a right. I block downward with my right hand, and then my left and back to my right in a circular motion. moving up your arm (typically: right, left, strike to you head, face or other target)

This has the effect of keeping you off balance and focused on your right. You should be moving on a 45 to the oponnents right side as you move closer into him. (your left) The momentum of your movement should be used in conjunction with the strike.

Now, as far as sparring goes, you just keep contact, moving long or short in response to your sparring partner. It's pretty funny against someone who has not seen this before.

Wing Tsung guys actually do a verision of this in transitioning between tan sau, fook sau and bong sau, though they don't refer to it as such. But the idea is the same: once contact is made, it is kept until you strike or the opponent breaks it off.

Practice of this is really good for developing fluid movements and transitions, as well as developing a feel for what your opponent is going to do (without resorting to having to put your hand or arm in a specific place in order to tell what they will do.)

If you can develop a good rolling jing, it will serve you other places too.

(jing is just a way of movement or energy - each of us has a natural jing that suits us. because we are all built slightly differently, our postures and movements will not be exactly the same. Likewise, our personalities will also influence what jings we choose when adopting a fight style or system. I guarantee that my tiger or kuntao does not look exactly like anyone else's. Good instructors understand this.)


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Sounds good....me;I'm kinda prone to impact for close quarters;ie when he's in that kind of close range,slam him in the face with a head butt,stomp/kick shins,knees,feet....use your elbows,forearms,knees(heair or ear pulls set'em up nice for an elbow uppercut to the face)club/chop at his brachial/bicep areas,hammer his hands/fingers.Nothing fancy,just basically going caveman on him.Eyes?Always worth a shot,bit a lot of guys( at least in my circles) are protective of all of the "sqashables"(eyes,throat,'nads etc) The same for other obvious breakables,like over carelessly over extended limbs.Hell,thers nothing wrong with "whatever it takes" to avoid being took... :dgrin:
 

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awesome

Sounds great! Especially the in-fighting techniques, "whatever it takes" is something that was hammered into me a few times. (Nothing like a good headbut!) So seriously, is anybody here in Texas that would be willing to get together and share some of this info? Maybe even just a one-time deal, or annually, or something. Basically if there are any older more experinced guys than me who would deign to show me some stuff I would be much appreciative, and possibly prone to buying several rounds of said persons favorite oat soda. I also have a brother, and brother-in-law, and maybe a couple more guys, but no more than about 5. Throw us around for awhile, then chill! Myabe even some cigars provided on request! Thanks,

J

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