average, draw and hit 12" circle, 7 yds, from a totally insecure open front rig, hand start was hand "hovering" just off of the gun butt. That was Red Jones, IIRC, until Bill French FINALLY got lucky, and got 5 straight hits, 1 handed point shooting, with his 6" M10 revolver, an open front rig, after missing at least once, 7 years in a row. The SWPL would have the Leatherslap once a year, ya see. After Bill posted his .57 record, the League retired the Leatherslap as a match. It's REAL easy to miss a 12" disk at 7 yds, moving that fast, from a secure rig, but the open front saves you at least .10 second in draw time, because you just shove the gun forward out of the rig, into your waiting weak hand. For the same size mark and range, starting hands at sides, and a secure speed rig, .70 second would probably be a luck average, considering match stress. Miss just once, take another .20 second to hit it, and you just added .04 second to your average time, ya see. What you can do in practice, and what you can do in top level competion, rarely have much in common. In fact, if you can consistently deliver 90% of your practice ability, in top level matches, you are one of the top 20 men in the world, at combat pistol shooting.