[andy]

and you've spent $400 on ammo. if u dont shoot anything like that much per year, the HP22 is going to last you a long time. $135, retail, with a $45 spare, 5" long barrel, that aint hard to shorten, thread for a silencer, either.

Spend that $400 on a M21 Beretta, (same cost used as a Mak) and you have a SUPERB kit gun and pocket gun. All you'll have with the Mak is a lame assed mak, STILL costing 5x as much to shoot as the .22, still not pocketable, still not ENOUGHmore powerful than the .22 to MATTER any, and u still wont be very skilled with it, either. $400 spent onsmithing the M21 means it's got a threaded muzzle, with the front sight mounted on the thread protector, ready to mount a silencer. 2" groups at 25m, too. Perfect little companion on the trail, and canned, the perfect complement to the pocket 9 if shtf.

The NEXT year, $400 spent on .22 ammo will mean 20,000 rds shot thru the M21,making you FARmore able to pull head hits with it than you can with the Mak,and the Mak is so feeble that it sure DOES need head hits, in order to have a realistic chance of stopping anybody. 220 ft lbs just AINT much of a lick. HALF of what a good 9x19 load has, and NOBODY thinks a 9x19 is much of a manstopper.

 

[andy]

$150,spent on a used Buckmark, 4" skinny barrel, lets you do LOTS of practicing, letting the M21 only be practiced with for "pocket" stuff,and serving as a "trail gun", ccw gun, etc, letting the M21 last u for decades. The Mak doesn't have one THIRD of the accuracy that the Buckmark has, so for most practice, hunting, etc, simply use the Browning. It's STILL costing only 1/5th as much per shot as is the Makarov. A pair of GOOD .22's makes FAR more sense than does any number of makarovs. Guys are just STUPID about blowback centerfires, and what they can accomplish. It AINT much, for certain.

 

[RIKA]

You really need to chose a gun more your size, like a mini-derringer.

RIKA

 

[CAV]

I've been away from here for a while, so you can imagine my surprise when I stopped in yesterday.

.223: Why keep pitching the $100 bargains? In 10 minutes I've read multiple post on these "wundershooters" you're pimpin'. You have already spent the equivalent of a single well-made firearm. Why don't you just save up and buy a real gun?!?

 

[mrostov]

1) A Mak firing a 115gr hollowpoint is only 90fps slower than a 9x19mm G26 (a comparably sized pistol) firng the same weight of hollowpoint.

Don't know where you learned to do math, but that does NOT equal 'half the energy'.

2) The Makarov will survive, easily, multiple times the number of rounds fired as the HP22, a pot metal POS if there ever was one.

The Makarov, a pistol you've obviously have ZERO experience with, is incredibly tough and well made.

You could take a Makarov and hammer a dozen HP22's flat with one and it would still shoot.

 

[TODD 3465]

1)

You could take a Makarov and hammer a dozen HP22's flat with one and it would still shoot.

Good one Mike, destined to be a classic.

 

[mrostov]

The Mak doesn't have one THIRD of the accuracy that the Buckmark has

Oh, I just noticed THIS comment. This remark is such pure BS that shows that he doesn't know jack sh^t.

The Makarov is probably one of the most accurate rack grade centerfire pistols you can buy. The main reason for this is a fixed barrel combined with good materials and quality manufacture.

My E German is accurate enough to reliably hunt rabbits with. Last cottontail I killed with my Makarov was with a round of Hungarian ball ammo (boxer primed brass case) at about 35m.

 

[Terry G]

Oh, I just noticed THIS comment. This remark is such pure BS that shows that he doesn't know jack sh^t.

The Makarov is probably one of the most accurate rack grade centerfire pistols you can buy. The main reason for this is a fixed barrel combined with good materials and quality manufacture.

My E German is accurate enough to reliably hunt rabbits with. Last cottontail I killed with my Makarov was with a round of Hungarian ball ammo (boxer primed brass case) at about 35m.

The real point is he can't afford a Makarov. Look at the guns he's touting, a Star 9MM, a really bad Phoenix Arms .22, and a 11.5 inch CAR 15. Notice it's not called a Colt, or Bushmaster or Armalite. He does not own ANY of these. Tell me I'm wrong, in this forum, Davis. He won't.

 

[Garand]

Well look how he bought his gun, he asked a taxi driver to direct him to a hooker to direct him to some hot guns? He buys whats available, unlike us, who get to choose what we want. He has to defend his pitiful collection, after all thats what the hooker was able to get for him that day.

 

[RIKA]

I'll bet that she was able to squeeze the last nickel out of him too .. for the guns. :dgrin:

RIKA

 

[DJetAce]

Considering taxi drivers can be snitches for the cops, as can hookers, and the hot 'gun dealer' could easly be a undercover cop, I doubt gunkid, being caught with a) stolden merchandise and, b) felon in posession even has more than a few pos junkers, if that. All they have to do is catch him with a bullet, just one, and his arse goes back into the slammer. No, stup*kid has nothing. He sure can't carry weapons or even have them in his house as being on parole they can search anytime, and they can bring in dogs to sniff for ammo or dope.

 

[Dorobuta]

I notice it always comes down to how much you spend on ammo. For some this may be consideration, for others it isn't. I like how we are always too cheap and at the same time wasting too much money. I sense a bit of jealousy here.

The Mak is a very good gun, I own one, though mine is in .380 - the fixed barrel makes it extremely accurate. it is a solid weapon. I doubt Andy has even fired one before, he doesn't seem to know much about them, and his knowledge of ballistic is pretty bad too.

 

[BigEd]

Yep his knowledge of ballistics is both outdated and unrealistic.

Right out of Never Never Land.
:He never owned it or shot it.

Notice ever since getting out of club Fed each time he's gotta have either a wife or girlfriend to use as a "Gun Moll" so to speak.

 

[John in AR]

...the HP22 is going to last you a long time. $135, retail, with a $45 spare, 5" long barrel, that aint hard to shorten, thread for a silencer, either.

...$400 spent onsmithing the M21 means it's got a threaded muzzle, with the front sight mounted on the thread protector, ready to mount a silencer. 2" groups at 25m, too.

...The NEXT year, $400 spent on .22 ammo will mean 20,000 rds shot thru the M21

So many funny (ignorant and incorrect, but funny) things here.

JMD - unlike you, I actually own a Phoenix HP-22. Owned it for nearly 20 years (bought in 2003), and have more than once talked about it here. The extended barrel is a VERY poor choice for threading (I've done it), since it's just a thin steel barrel liner inside a cast shroud made of zinc or other pot metal. It's WAY soft; which is VERY bad for any threaded application. Basically, it's like putting threads onto a sparkler; that's about how soft and inconsistent the shroud material is.

Also it's very poorly and loosely made overall. I'm fairly sure I've got less than 1k rounds through mine, and it's lived at least half its life. It's already much looser after just two bricks (or less) of ammo; no way it's going to last another 4K rounds in any kind of decent shape. If I knew where the extended (and now threaded) barrel was, I would have already sold it along with all the other ones I've sold recently. If I don't come across the extended barrel soon, I'll probably still sell it regardless.

 

[Dorobuta]

Oh, I just noticed THIS comment. This remark is such pure BS that shows that he doesn't know jack sh^t.

The Makarov is probably one of the most accurate rack grade centerfire pistols you can buy. The main reason for this is a fixed barrel combined with good materials and quality manufacture.

My E German is accurate enough to reliably hunt rabbits with. Last cottontail I killed with my Makarov was with a round of Hungarian ball ammo (boxer primed brass case) at about 35m.

The MAK and the Colt officers both have a fixed barrel, makes for nice accuracy from both.