[andy]

I'm bigger than the average guy, and my torso's "non-crease" zone is 12" wide by 24". Beyond 250m with iron sights, you are going to get a LOT less hits on realistic sized torsos than you are on "crazy Ivan"targets.

Also, this "cruzible" is bs, becaus after the first shot, the only STATIONARY target you will get (at best) will be the 10" circle of a head on prone man. More likely, you will get only the 1-2 second exposure of a cover user's head. That means you aint hitting SQUAT, with iron sights, beyond 200m, except by luck. Hit or miss is the same "2 possible outcome" situation as a coin toss. So if you can't hit with more than 50% of your shots, any hits you get are LUCK. Ducking bullets, and without ear protection, you are going to miss such targets a LOT at 100m, dude, along with the dodging torsos of men moving from cover to cover. That's just the reality of combat rifle shooting.

Beyond 200m, you need a scope, period. beyond 100m, given head shots at cover users, while under fire, a bipod is a BIG help, if the terrain will let you use prone at ALL, that is.

 

[andy]

You can "know" what to do in terms of wind and drop 'holdoff", but that doesn't mean squat when the target MOVES, and when you are being shot at, all that calculation bs goes RIGHT outthe window. move your sights, to allow for wind or range, and you can DIE from it, when OTHER enemies pop up, from a different direction, at different ranges. All in all, it's STUPID to be in open country in daylight. You AINT a swiveling, 360 degree radar dish, you CAN be seen and shot by people you never saw. if shtf in the US, you wont be up against ignorant savages with ak's, who can't hit a cover user's head at 50m, except by LUCK. youll be up against MILLIONS of guys who can readily hit you at 1/4 mile, if your entire torso is exposed. While you MIGHT present only a bobbing head to enemies in one direction, you can easily be a fully exposed body to those in another direction.

 

[brass hammer]

if shtf in the US, you wont be up against ignorant savages with ak's, who can't hit a cover user's head at 50m, except by LUCK. youll be up against MILLIONS of guys who can readily hit you at 1/4 mile, if your entire torso is exposed. While you MIGHT present only a bobbing head to enemies in one direction, you can easily be a fully exposed body to those in another direction.

so, there are 'MILLONS' of CRACKshot .308 toting riflemen NOW! Hmmmmmm!

give it a rest will ya? i read you blathering/braying about the .380acp on a another board, the other day.


you are OWNED! [by terry-g /sat-cong /garand/ HARDROCK/ STILLWATER/everybody else!


thanks. :wavey:

 

[Magnum88C]

Why don't you go tell Teuf that he's FOS?

Oh yeah, you can't, every other board on the 'net won't even let you register.

 

[Hard Ball]

You have never been in combat. and our ignorance on the subject is absolute and utretly appaling,