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Afte reading for months about the vaunted Phonix Arms HP .22,I asked my nephew to bring his over for a little impromptu shoot. Neither shooter, "T" or "J" had ever fired an HP .22 before. They were given twenty- five rounds to familiarize, then shoot five for score at 50 feet from the standing position. Two handed, Weaver or whatever. No time was imposed. One shooter's five round group measured a tight 9 & 1/4 inches while the others was 11 & 1/1/2. Both routinely fire expert monthly at their agencies. I then had them fire my Bersa Mos. 23. Same rules. One shooter HAD fired my Bersa prior to this. I hope the photo is small enough, but if its not, each shooter fired a 3/4" group, with one round, the first double action one, being about an inch below the group. That HP 22's a great sniper weapon. What a piece of trash!
 

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Photo of Bersa .22 Group

The target photo's are apparently too big, and I don't know how to reduce them, but here's the Bersa.
 

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Just the thing for disposable drive-bys, huh Terry.

Or you could just shove it in your pants and shoot your man-parts off.

RIKA :)
 

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I Know of several that group 3" or better

at 50 ft, with 3" barrel. The only one who has a 5" barrel gets 2" at 50 ft. In fact, of the many jennnings .22's I've fired, nearly all gave 3" at 50 ft or better. IntrinsicAccuracy is not the problem. Poor sights (on Jennings) and trigger pull, durability and reliability are the problem (on Jennings) also safe carry. The HP22 is many times better than the Jennings.
 

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j-22

this isjust my .02 on the' lunch bucket ' gun , i picked one up for $49[new] once, i promptly removed the safety slide bar from the pistol and taped the corner of a bandana to the grip to cover outline in back pocket, making drawing of pistol easy them racking slide on out side of thigh to chamber[fearless?yes, stupid?ditto! it's an old moonshiners trick a hobo who lived thru the depression era taught me in my early youth] any way, one evening while out tooling, a lady friend and i consumed the better part of a 12 pack of budweisers finest domestic, needless to say i went to condition 'white' pretty soon, and wrapped the little j-22 up in the attched bandana, placing it in the empty's container carton, upon calling it a night i threw the carton full of empties in the dumpster and went home! when i looked for that particular gun about 3 days later, i knew exactly where it was[ in the landfill] i knew it was at least out of the hands of any one else, i have not thought about it till reading this post.
i guess i'm saying thats the best place for a j-22, in the landfill!
although it probably is better than a sharp stick.


thanks
 

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Re: I Know of several that group 3" or better

andy said:
at 50 ft, with 3" barrel. The only one who has a 5" barrel gets 2" at 50 ft. In fact, of the many jennnings .22's I've fired, nearly all gave 3" at 50 ft or better. IntrinsicAccuracy is not the problem. Poor sights (on Jennings) and trigger pull, durability and reliability are the problem (on Jennings) also safe carry. The HP22 is many times better than the Jennings.
I have never fired a Jennings, so I can't comment on them, but this is the third Phoenix Arms HP that I have either fired or seen fired, and they do NOT impress me in the least. Accuracy is atrocious, better to spend the extra dollars for a quality pistol. In fairness though, nobody had a malfunction in our little shoot em up.
 

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Your guys can't shoot, AND you don't know enough to loctite the "adjustable" rear sight on the HP. Only a gun that KEYHOLES the bullets could be as inaccurate as you claim, unless there's some sort of a loose sight or loose barrel issue. So you can't figure out what's what, or how to fix it. That doesn't surprise me a bit.
 

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Your guys can't shoot, AND you don't know enough to loctite the "adjustable" rear sight on the HP. Only a gun that KEYHOLES the bullets could be as inaccurate as you claim, unless there's some sort of a loose sight or loose barrel issue. So you can't figure out what's what, or how to fix it. That doesn't surprise me a bit.
Your guy's can't shoot? Look at the Bersa target. Same day, same guy's. The HP is pathetic. Just the gun for somebody who suggests putting $3,000 into a surplus 9MM. I have fired THREE Phoenix Arms HP's, they all were wildly inaccurate. Also, although I do know a bit about firearms, how about the average person who does not? Tell them to locktite the rear sight and the would probably glue shut the slide. Your suggestions are completely the same as what come's out of a horse after he has eaten hay. You reccomend a $100.00 garbage gun, (why spend 3X as much? ) and then say u r too cheap to put $3,000 into a Star BM. Do you ever sit back and look at some of the drivel you write? Once again, John's dream battery:
 

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u r a liar,so what? many guys here have fired HP's. BOb and John in Ark own them, KNOW that you are fos.
I r not. Da gun it SHoot like somding you wipe of ur shoe.
 

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we KNOW u r a liar, punk. What you THINK about it is irrelevant.
I'd like to know what John in AR thinks since I don't know Bob. As for Terry, he posted his findings along with a target. His conclusions are as relevant as yours are.

RIKA
 

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You know he's not real good with all that "proof" stuff. Like his magic .223 load that's been proven the powder hardly fits in the case, yet he still claims it's viable.
 

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no it wasn't, either. YOU used a THICKER case, didnt shake down the powder, and used a MUCH longer bullet, )(the 69 gr Sierra bthp) as vs the 60 gr Nosler Partition, and spread a bunch of bs about it. That's all. Anyone can pull the bullet from a Winchester White box rd of 223 ball, dump the powder, put 27 grs of AA 2520 in the same case, tap it a bit, and seat the Nosler bullet on it, with ease.
 
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