COMBINED, andit'sEASY to silently brain a cow or steer with a silenced .22 and a flashlight. there's FAR more dogs than deer,too, and dogs go right down to a chest hit with a .22,most of the time. So much for the "need" to take big game, being a "reason" to choose 308 for shtf fighting rifle. Hell,you can always CACHE a $50 Nagant for use in elk country. Such crap is no reason to be without the silencer, .22 unit, GI rifle rd,concealment,one hand use, etc of the CAR-223.