Your position on this was already known. You can fuck off now.andy said:who gives a crap? Irrelevant bs, in jello. when you shoot flesh and blood with the same loads, the results vary wildly from what they claim in Jello. so it's just a big jerkoff site.
In at least one small database (about 40 shootings, collected by Gene Wolberg, Senior Firearms Criminologist at the San Diego Police Department Crime Laboratory), 147 grain 9mm hollowpoints were matching pretty much (3% variation in penetration depth) exactly between gelatin and 2 legged targets. More datapoints are necessary, IMO, to determine how velocity, momentum and frontal area affect the performance of a bullet on flesh as compared to gelatin.DaRkWoLf said:Andy
Quite bluntly, jello determines a bullets expansion and kinetic energy transfer. Its not the point of jello to show exact wound characteristics. For example, there are 9mms loaded with 153 gr lapua bullets that generate as much kinetic energy as a .45. From a gel test, one can find that hardly any of this energy is transfered to the target for whatever reason. It is not the point of the jello to find the reason, just to show what is actually happening. And no, gel does not always benifit larger cartriges. A .17 HMR will have more effect on gel than a .22 LR. The same effect is noticeable on soft tissue. Gel is also a great way to show the expansion/fragmentation of a projectile under the worst conditions. Body tissue is firmer and slightly more prone to aid in expansion than jello.
Andy, as long as you continue ignoring data and keeping that closed mind of yours; you will continuously sound like a blithering asshole. Truly, there nare some arguments against gel testing, but not for the testing of expansion and energy exchange. The only invalidating claims are based on using gel to determine penetration.
BTW I agree against using gel for penetration testing. I once gelled a 7mm RUM and determined that after running nearly an entire fireing lanes worth of gel that a 7mm would never penetrate through 2 elephants standing in a row, like the gel was suggesting. On a simpler and smaller scale, a .380 auto goes about a foot into jello @ 25 yrds. Yet, a bottle of water can catch it with ease. Yes, I've done that to, and yes I thought it was hillarious that I could catch bullets at short range with a bottle of Zepherhills.
So ya, gel testing is good for some things and bad for others, but Andy, for one time back up your statement.
andy said:who gives a crap? Irrelevant bs, in jello. when you shoot flesh and blood with the same loads, the results vary wildly from what they claim in Jello. so it's just a big jerkoff site.
Can't help it; I was born that way. Besides Mexican prisons are nice places run by compassionate caring people and the Sudan is a great place where you can get a wonderful sun tan working in the fields with the other slaves.Garand said:Erika quit being such a girl!!!!!