to 308 sp's. No I dont. YOU are the ones CLAIMING 308 ball is so wonderfully effective on men, so the only level of PERFORMANCE I have to match is that of 308 ball. 308 CAN'T match 223 for handiness, weight, availability, concealment, canned use, .22 unit, etc. so all you've GOT is your bs claims of "power" and penetration". Even your "Long range" claims got shot to shit by the 1000 yd performance of match AR's and 223 ammo. Sp's in 223 blow up your "power" theory, so all you have LEFT is stupid shooting at what you can't SEE (behind cover) thru which you probably CAN'T penetrate, and you won't KNOW that the car was full of firewood, little kids, etc, until it's too late.