TRAPPED in bldg, 5-6 SKILLED men with autorifles, NO amount of shooting is going to get you clear. You <font color=red>[**censored**]</font>ED UP, and you are going to DIE because of your stupidity.
Actually, it's not because of my stupidity, it's because the training scenarios are laid out by the instructors. And being the "bad guy" on-site, and there to train the paying customers, I'm stuck with the paramaters laid out.
I'm glad you agree with my experience; that enough guys can kill you. It's happened to me quite often.
so it's not the lack of "enough" ammo that killed you, it was being stupid enough to be in such a place, AT ALL. There's no reason for it, post shtf. so WHY let such a silly scenario determine your tactics or your gear, hmm?
Regardless of the "why" of it, if I ran out, I didn't have "enough".
As for the "no reason for it" line of thought, just "shoe the other foot", as they say in grade school. Instead of 'bad guy' facing the 'good guys', I could just as easily be a lone man (either pre-shtf deputy, or post-shtf forager) who found himself in that situation. Possibly, I did something wrong or stupid that GOT me in that situation; I admit to making mistakes occasionally, all carbon-based life-forms do. Again, regardless of the "why" of it, or the "need" for it, it's absolutely not "impossible" to find yourself in a bad situation, is it... (If it were, we could do away with carrying ammo altogether. What we're doing here, is just disagreeing on "how much" spare ammo "may" be needed.)
MOVEMENT is a key element, alright, but SO IS REMAINING UNDETECTED, and ELUDING-EVADING-AVOIDING people in the FIRST place.
Yes it is. Unfortunately, when you're facing 4-8 guys with FLIR goggles on their helmets, along with IR floodlights and IR lasers mounted on their M4's, as I often am, sitting still can sometimes get you dead even more quickly than moving will. At night (which is the primary time I'm there), their equipment gives them ALL the technical advantage. I know the layouts, but it's still nighttime to me, and basically broad daylight to them.
too much bulk and wt, hanging on you day and night, is GOING to make you prone to errors, illness, injury. Get rid of EVERY oz cubic inch that you can POSSIBLY do without, on TOP of getting OLYMPIC levels of fitness, and be as sneaky and ruthless as you IMAGINE the lowest, cutthroat Gestapo guy EVER DREAMED of being, and you MIGHT have a shot at survival.
One reason I like the 5.56 caliber IS because of weight. Carrying 3 extra 30-round aluminum mags (what I carry in real life, not at the facility) is a LOT less weight and bulk than a similar amount of steel .308 magazines.
Being training, and not "real", I'm limited in how "ruthless" I can be. Best (worst?) one was when a flash-bang somehow got 'magnified' when under a dummy. (Military guys, training for rescuing downed pilots, we use a dummy similar to a CPR dummy to play "pilot".) Rescuer finally gets to 'pilot' dummy, grabs his collar and starts dragging him "to safety".
Flash-bang booby-trap hidden under dummy's back goes off with enough force to almost completely detach one of dummy's legs. Air-force "Special Ops" (
) guy literally dropped a load in his pants. Never seen a man actually do that before.
He was pissed.
Dummy now has had both legs removed and is known as "Mr. Hurt."
FWIW, if anyone cares, it's the "Direct Action Resource Center"; you can see some of it at www.darc1.com