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varying wind and elevation conditions? you got moving targets to practice on? you know what a PITA it is to even SCORE targets at that range? 308 wont even MOVE a steel man's torso enough at that range, for you to be able to TELL that you hit it, unless it's of such thin metal as to be RUINED with a lousy 100 hits. Make it 1/2" thick, and it won't even twitch from a 308 hit, if it's 12" wide and 24" tall, if it's suspended in any way that can withstand a 308 rifle bullet hit to the suspension-method. You wanna have to walk down there and back, every time a bullet cuts the chain links or wire, hmm? Be about once every 100 shots. :) It will take you all DAY to fire that many shots, in a way that you LEARN anything about such shooting. Just how often will you GET such practice, hmm? At 600 yds and closer, you can get the same hits with 223, and spend HALF as much on the rifle and the ammo.

So, basically, VERY few men have ANY ability to "outreach" a good 223-AR, because either their local terrain doesn't PERMIT such shots, or they don't' have the practical skills to make ANY rifle or load make such hits. The 308 is actually a rather poor choice for such shots. Even the 243, with the VLD bullet, is better against the wind and gravity, and the 300 win mag makes the 308 look sick by comparison. That extra 300-400 fps (depending upon bullet wt) is worth a lot at the longer ranges.
 

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Even if they don't, the fact remains that the .308 will hit harder than his cobbled short-d!ck POS will at any range. Makes the .223 look SICK by comparison. :dgrin:
 

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Gunkid, I live on the prairies! Believe me it is not that hard finding a 1000 meter stretch to shoot in. Every rancher worth his salt can weld up steel gongs to use at that range. Long Range shots out here are normal not the exception. Every rancher out here has a quad also, so whats this about walking? If you have the desire to shot long range, its not that hard.
 

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i came across

3 manhole covers, and welded up some7/8" rebar for a tripod, once, it lasted about 30 days at 200 yards [it was a busy shooting pit] but a lot of fun while it lasted,[rolling that heavy manhole cover out there200yards turned into work]




thanks.
 

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I am working on access to a 1000 yd range. Will think of you while I'm shooting.

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I not only have access to a public range not 20 miles away with 500 yard range, but also relatives farmland with ranges well past 1000 yards (cow pasture, very well cleared off land.)

My moving targets include deer. You, on the other hand, can't even touch a gun, much less practice like I do. So it's BOO-Hoo for you and YAY for me!
 

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Yes Melvin

I do have that access,its on our retreat grounds privately owned.Its setup to even handle TM's 50 with moving targets.As for walking back and forth to check hits,perhaps you should get into the times and get a spotting scope....its a new fangled device that takes all that exercise out of target shooting. :rolleyes:
 

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varying wind and elevation conditions? you got moving targets to practice on? you know what a PITA it is to even SCORE targets at that range? 308 wont even MOVE a steel man's torso enough at that range, for you to be able to TELL that you hit it, unless it's of such thin metal as to be RUINED with a lousy 100 hits. Make it 1/2" thick, and it won't even twitch from a 308 hit, if it's 12" wide and 24" tall, if it's suspended in any way that can withstand a 308 rifle bullet hit to the suspension-method. You wanna have to walk down there and back, every time a bullet cuts the chain links or wire, hmm? Be about once every 100 shots. :) It will take you all DAY to fire that many shots, in a way that you LEARN anything about such shooting. Just how often will you GET such practice, hmm? At 600 yds and closer, you can get the same hits with 223, and spend HALF as much on the rifle and the ammo.

So, basically, VERY few men have ANY ability to "outreach" a good 223-AR, because either their local terrain doesn't PERMIT such shots, or they don't' have the practical skills to make ANY rifle or load make such hits. The 308 is actually a rather poor choice for such shots. Even the 243, with the VLD bullet, is better against the wind and gravity, and the 300 win mag makes the 308 look sick by comparison. That extra 300-400 fps (depending upon bullet wt) is worth a lot at the longer ranges.
In addition to the desert, 3 ranges within an hour drive of where I live...

and you need to learn a few things. technology Had passed you by....
 

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I’m going to a range this week that has steel out to 800 yds. You can hear the hits. We hang gongs out to 400 yards. You can both hear and see hits. You use a spotter to help.
 
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