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until shtf. All you need prior to shtf is a couple of cache-circles, and some spiderholes. If somebody finds your spiderhole, so what? There's nothing they can do about it. If they find your cabin, you are out all that work and money.

Once you are in the spiderhole, it's no big deal to expand it into a dugout. Underground, it's much easier to maintain a decent temperature, bullets don't come thru the walls, and there's no fire-hazard.
 

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u have no way of knowing what area will be available. Fallout, fire, insects, flood, enemies, disease, drought, all can make an area uninhabitable for you. So you will probably just be building that cabin for nothing. Put that same $ and effort into getting proper gear and skills, and you can take it with you wherever you need to go.
 

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Most LIKELY scenario is a personal shtf, fleeing Big Brother. YOu can't build a cabin on public land, and you don't want to be any where NEAR land which you are on-record as owning, or that anyone known to be associated with you owns (or even knows about). Spiderholes on public land, utility company, mining company, paper company, lumber company land, nobody will give a damn about, or even remember.
 

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So, you're miles from anyone out in the mountains of the west and you're going to pass up a well hidden hunting cabin in exchange for a miserable, damp, bug infested, hastily dug hole in the ground?

Hint: There's more to life than merely sitting at home waiting for the world to turn upside down. Lots of people already have well prepared hunter's hides and cabins which they KNOW for a fact works.

As for your hole in the ground, you've never tried to dig one and you profess to carry no digging tools in whatever kit you may or may not have, hence you'll find that much digging something of a nightmare.

When it's winter and the wind is howling, there's nothing quite like a well built cabin with a wood burning stove. Even a small shelter will do.

BTW: Real, sustainable, underground shelters take a shitload of work to properly prepare, far more than you're willing to put out.
 

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until shtf. All you need prior to shtf is a couple of cache-circles, and some spiderholes. If somebody finds your spiderhole, so what? There's nothing they can do about it. If they find your cabin, you are out all that work and money.

Once you are in the spiderhole, it's no big deal to expand it into a dugout. Underground, it's much easier to maintain a decent temperature, bullets don't come thru the walls, and there's no fire-hazard.
No fire hazard? I guess a fire above ground sucking up oxygen and pouring toxic smoke into your dugout is not considered a hazard...ok.

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Gunkid is dealing from thoughts of fantasy, not reality. He has no concept of the effects of living hard in the bush for months at a time, much less weeks or days at a time.
 

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Dugouts are dirty, vermin infested pest-holes. If you are living in a dugout, it is impossible to stay even relatively, clean.

Lately, deer mice are bringing the Hanta Virus into the world of the mud plastered, aboriginal housing, in the southwest. Many people have died from this airborn virus, found in the dried urine and feces, of the deer mouse. Ask the Navaho's, in Arizona, about this TARD.

Dugouts, and mud plastered hovels, are magnets for every malovelent crawling thing, that can, and will, vicously bite and sting.

No thanks, NUTTY JOHN, I will take a neat and clean little cabin every day.
 

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A dozen people in this province have died of hanta virus in the last 10 years, the last 3 weeks ago. And those people were living under civilized conditions. What would happen if you lived like an animal? Gunkid has never been in the bush, its the fantasy for him!
 

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I didn't know the Hanta virus was in Alberta. That makes it all the more important, that sanitary conditions are considered, in planing for living, in the outdoors.

Might even make a city look more interesting.

Hey Garand, I just had a thought. This points out the need for survival cats!
 

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Ahhh yes to live in a hole liek a hobbit.

What fantasy world do you like in? We could make a movie about it.
 

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You've probably heard of Frodo, Bilbo, Sam. Merry and Pippin, GK wants to be known as Dildo Cravens, at least in his hobbit dreams...
 

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Dont discourage him folks. Maybe he will build his dugout when TSHTF and one of us will find it and be able to use it for a shitter hole.
 
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