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believe all the bs stories about .45 ball, instead of shooting some animals to find OUT. I did so, and I was AGHAST to discover that Cooper, Tappan and Elmer were fos about .45 swc's (much less ball ammo)
 

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Street Effectiveness of .45 ACP loads



From Dale Towert's Handgun Stopping Power Page



.45 ACP

Manufacturer Brand Type Grains fps fpe Successes

Cor-Bon N/A JHP 185 1150 544 92%
Remington N/A +P JHP 185 1140 534 91%
CCI Lawman JHP 200 975 422 88%
Federal N/A JHP 185 950 371 87%
Winchester Silvertip JHP 185 1000 411 82%
Remington N/A JHP 185 1000 411 81%
Winchester Black Talon JHP 230 900 414 81%
Remington N/A FMJ 230 835 356 65%
Federal N/A FMJ 230 835 356 63%
Winchester N/A FMJ 230 835 356 63%
Signature Rhino JPF 125 1560 676 93% *
Magsafe Maximum JPF 103 1900 826 93% *
Magsafe Swat JPF 66 2140 672 93% *
Glaser Blue JPF 140 1400 610 93% *
Magsafe Defender JPF 96 1660 588 93% *
Triton N/A +P JHP 185 1150 544 92% *
Magsafe Fast Hardball JPF 72 2120 719 92% *
Federal Hydra-Shok +P JHP 185 1140 534 91% *
D&D Bullets Omega Star JPF 200 1020 462 91% *
D&D Bullets Omega Star +P JPF 230 960 471 90% *
Cor-Bon N/A +P JHP 230 950 461 90% *
Georgia Arms N/A +P PHP 185 1075 475 90% *
CCI Gold Dot JHP 185 1050 453 90% *
American Ammo ADE JHP 185 1000 411 89% *
D&D Bullets Omega Star JPF 200 965 414 89% *
Cor-Bon N/A +P BHP 230 950 461 89% *
Remington Golden Sabre JHP 185 1015 423 89% *
Hornady XTP +P JHP 230 950 461 89% *
Hornady XTP +P JHP 200 1050 490 88% *
Cor-Bon N/A JHP 200 1050 490 88% *
Winchester Subsonic JHP 230 925 437 88% *
D&D Bullets Omega Star JPF 230 885 400 87% *
Eldorado Starfire JHP 230 850 369 86% *
Winchester Supreme SXT JHP 230 860 378 86% *
CCI Gold Dot BHP 230 830 352 86% *
IMI UZI FMJ 185 1046 450 77% *
 

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Bears out my own past experience with pistol calibers beginning with the Number 4: warm side of standard to PlusP, no lighter in weight than 85% of " standard/heavy " spectrum ". Bullet types do matter, but most of my last experience was with ball,FMJ FP; and plain vanilla HP. With the bulk of it being the former.
My reasoning was always" hit first". After that, everything else was Numbah One.
 

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when i see loads fail to stop house cats, chucks and the like, I know that it might as well be a .22, as to the odds of it sufficing on a man. While the full bore 125 gr jhp 357 HAS failed, the odds are 4 to 1 that it'll be better than a makarov with ball. Since the mak is no pocket gun, I see no reason to bother with such a feeble load. the 9x21 or 356 Split nose does just as well on critters as the full bore 357, and those loads ARE fully controlable in a pocket auto. yes, it costs $600 or so to set up to use such. So what? do without some silly Mosins and there's the money you need to have a real ccw pistol.
 
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