(by just blindly firing a lot) the way the military encourages guys to do. The lone rifleman CAN'T "achieve fire superiority" or "pin down" anybody, or 'recon by fire", etc. So just forget about firing 50-100 rds for every hit you get. If you dont get some sort of hit with every other rd, and a GOOD hit with 1/4 of your rds, you aint gonna make it, regardless of how many rds you have, or what load you use. Missing a lot just ENCOURAGES enemies who know the real score. If shtf in the US, you wont be up against ignorant savages with AK's (after the first week or so, anyway) THAT type will be long dead.The looters who remain will know to use cover, darkness, mobilty, Molotov cocktails, suppressors, and so on, and many will be quite capable of hitting you from 1/4 mile, or a bit further. They will be 10-20x as dangerous as ******** or gooks ever thought of being. ONE such man can easily teach the rest of his gang what's what, and in a few weeks, the survivors will all KNOW that he's right.
u wont HAVE anyone to "raise morale" on
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Depending on the scenario, the tactic might be suppressive fire for any number of mission specific reasons, and there is always a place for the one shot one kill dictum.
To force an opponent or group of same to adopt a heads down position is viable in many instances if one's logistics can support that evolution. There will be no one plan or tactic that works in every situation, so a level of response options allowing fluidity will cover more varying situations which will be realistically expected.
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To force an opponent or group of same to adopt a heads down position is viable in many instances if one's logistics can support that evolution. There will be no one plan or tactic that works in every situation, so a level of response options allowing fluidity will cover more varying situations which will be realistically expected.
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I don't know about the US Army's qualification with a Service Rifle is like, but the last Canadian Army qual that I fired just before I retired, only 10% of the ammunition used in the qual was on full auto. In the Canadian Army, in order to qualify, you actually have to hit the target!
Looters as portrayed by the acts that they take part in, lack self discipline! Thats a fact. Criminals lack on the most part lack self discipline, thats a fact! I doubt if the balloon ever went up that you would see undisciplined garbage suddenly being becoming elite special ops troops. Can you see the 180,000 gang bangers in Los Angeles showing any more self discipline than some moslem gentleman with an RPG & AK in Iraq these days. I think not. These idiots only know brute force. The fact that they lack the capability to intelligently plan for the future will be their downfall. You can talk all you want to. But talking is nothing more than hot air if you haven't made concrete plans.
Looters as portrayed by the acts that they take part in, lack self discipline! Thats a fact. Criminals lack on the most part lack self discipline, thats a fact! I doubt if the balloon ever went up that you would see undisciplined garbage suddenly being becoming elite special ops troops. Can you see the 180,000 gang bangers in Los Angeles showing any more self discipline than some moslem gentleman with an RPG & AK in Iraq these days. I think not. These idiots only know brute force. The fact that they lack the capability to intelligently plan for the future will be their downfall. You can talk all you want to. But talking is nothing more than hot air if you haven't made concrete plans.
Full auto comes in handy when you need to cross a street that is a kill zone. Full auto is handy when you need to interupt a conference and total the confers (as Jeff Cooper would say.) Full auto comes in REAL handy at night when the enemy is in the wire near your foxhole.
There is a time and place for all kinds of fire. The only morale that needs raised will by gunkid when he is starving after having to hide in the wilderness being so afraid of those who hunt him.
There is a time and place for all kinds of fire. The only morale that needs raised will by gunkid when he is starving after having to hide in the wilderness being so afraid of those who hunt him.
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Well I have to admit, I don't fire full auto anything. I have fired full auto before but rarely having never been military. I see little need for it, although as pointed out it could have its proper place in certain situatiuons. I have fired lots of three round bursts when i was a firearms instructor (sadly those duties have been stripped from me with no reason given but I think it had to do me with me calling a boss a liar about something not related to the firearms thing). I fired those three round bursts from a HK MP5. The thing about auto fire, even when only 3 rd. bursts is that it is much less controllable than semi auto and not always as fast.
Now before anyone has a brain hemmorage about my statement that semi auto is sometimes faster than three round bursts here is the deal: At the end of training class for MP5 shooters, we would have what we caled the mad minite. They loaded up a bunch of mags about 5 thirty rounder sometimes more, and were told to shoot however they wanted at their targets - but to shoot with accuracy in mind too. Each time this was done, I would tell them that I would be firing too just to make a point. That was about all I told them. Well at the end of the firing my target would look better than anyone else's, usually much better as for accurate shooting. The thing is I always, I repeat always, finished firing first. Man my fingers hurt, and I often had to switch which was on the trigger from index to middle because I fired every shot on semi-auto. Almost every other shooter always fires all of their rounds at 3 round burst. Sure they are new shooters to the MP% (not to other shooting and they have to be darned good before we gave em an MP5), but they are pretty adept at shooting by that point. That is the time to teach them, when new to a weapon, so it sinks in and my lesson sinks in. If I went on a raid and carried the MP5 it was set on semi auto each time I went in the door, as are many others carried by other agents with whom I work. It is easy enough to switch to 3 round burst (or full auto as applicable) if need be.
Now before anyone has a brain hemmorage about my statement that semi auto is sometimes faster than three round bursts here is the deal: At the end of training class for MP5 shooters, we would have what we caled the mad minite. They loaded up a bunch of mags about 5 thirty rounder sometimes more, and were told to shoot however they wanted at their targets - but to shoot with accuracy in mind too. Each time this was done, I would tell them that I would be firing too just to make a point. That was about all I told them. Well at the end of the firing my target would look better than anyone else's, usually much better as for accurate shooting. The thing is I always, I repeat always, finished firing first. Man my fingers hurt, and I often had to switch which was on the trigger from index to middle because I fired every shot on semi-auto. Almost every other shooter always fires all of their rounds at 3 round burst. Sure they are new shooters to the MP% (not to other shooting and they have to be darned good before we gave em an MP5), but they are pretty adept at shooting by that point. That is the time to teach them, when new to a weapon, so it sinks in and my lesson sinks in. If I went on a raid and carried the MP5 it was set on semi auto each time I went in the door, as are many others carried by other agents with whom I work. It is easy enough to switch to 3 round burst (or full auto as applicable) if need be.
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Full automatic fire with a rifle is pretty much a waste of ammunition except in specialised situations. I recall the full-auto M-14. After the first two rounds, you were anti-aircraft. The '16 was better, but still a lot of 5.56MM sprayed the landscape rather than the target. In a building,or when the gooks are in the wire, full auto is a lovely option.
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