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and get some ABILITY TO FIGHT, dummies. 'quit being a sheep, like garnad and his Canuck chicken<font color=red>[**censored**]</font> buddies, LETTING Big Brother take your fighting tools,so you can go PRETEND that you are about something, with your little bolt action.
 

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An M-1 Garand is a toy? I'll bet untold tens of thousands of Japanese, German and North Korean soldiers didn't thinks so.
 

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Well my Garand has been used successfully in battle, as has the M14 action my M1A is based on, as has been my Lee Enfield #4 down to -40F. The AR15/M16 doesn't function reliably at that temperature. Therefore it is my game gun. It might not be important to you but it could be critical to me!
 

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GK, I love your words "get the REAL deal AR15, not a toy".

The AR15 with a 16-20in barrel is a REAL deal. Your dinky little 10in barrel CAR is a phallic symbol.

Get a grip on reality GK and dump the fantasy. The Ar hums with a long tube.

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Okay... bit of trivia time.

The 10.5 inch, 11.5 inch uppered Commando and the XM177 were designed in 1967 for a specific purpose. Which is that purpose?

A. Special operations weapon designed to replace the longer barreled full stock M16.

B. To be used by tunnel rats in the Vietnam conflict where a larger weapon would be harder to maneuver inside the Cong tunnels.

C. As a tanker's gun to provide for a better defense than a pistol inside a vehicle.
 

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Okay, I'll bite. My guess is A. Special operations weapon designed to replace the longer barreled full stock M16

B. I understand the tunnel rats were armed with the Ruger Standard Model 22. Even the shorty CAR would be too bulky.

C. Again, I understand that the space inside tanks is extremely limited, too little even for the CAR.

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hmmm, I don't know......guessing.....

A. might be A, but I thought that was the 14" version which eventually became the M4

B. I don't think it's B, tunnel rat is too specialized a job for an entire rifle model to be developed for it, and the pistol would be better.

C. Could be. Kind of along the lines of the M1 carbine.

In order, I'd vote A, then C.
 

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Hell, the answer's C. the others don't make much sense.

A: Why would Commando's want a SHORTER rifle? It's good for urban combat, but, in 1967, we were in Vietnam. The possibility exists, but it evades my sense of logic.

B: Never heard of anyone entering a tunnel with something other than a handgun (M1911, usually), but my knowledge of the tunnel rats is limited at best.

C: Perfect sense to me, tankers need to defend themselves if their vehicle got shot up, and there's no room for a full sized M16.
 

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Yep... C is correct. The gun was designed for tank crews as a PDW for close range defense. Within a year though, some special operations units began using the gun in place of the full stock M-16 even though the range was greatly reduced.

Tunnel rats abhored the Commando due to the muzzle blast in the enclosed space and the fact that the gun was still too big for the job. They prefered sawed off shotguns, pistols and SMG's like the MAC 10 and Grease Gun.

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A sawed off shotgun in a VC tunnel?:eek: Has anyone ever seen blood squirt out of someone's ear?:p
Here! Here!(pun intended). I can't say I saw much tunnel activity, as I was for the most part in the central highlands, but people that did know, have told me that the sound of a silenced pistol, cobbled up by the company armorer, was about all they could take underground. An M-16 or even a CAR-15 is too bulky and way, way, too loud. A shotgun? Even an eighteen inch barreled one with the stock cut off would have been too bulky and the noise would have burst the eardrums of the person shooting it. You have to remember these tunnels were dug by people much smaller than us. A 5'3", 95 lb. Vietnamese was considered to be large.
 
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