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A good friend of mine called me two day's before the opening of deer season and asked to borrow one of my SKS's. I told him sure, but I was surprised because he had told me earlier that Wal-Mart had a sale on Marlin lever-action 30/30's and he had one on lay-away. (He's not rich, kind of a Huck Finn type that think's Hunting and Fishing are more important than work) As it turned out when he went to Wal-Mart to finish paying for the rifle they told him there was a three day wait for an "FBI check". Huh? There is no waiting period in this state for a shotgun or rifle. Well, he went back three day's later and the sporting goods department manager told him he wouldn't release the rifle because he "hadn't heard back from the FBI yet" My friend demanded his money back and it was returned, but it left him with no rifle for deer season. What's the deal here? I KNOW he has no convictions of any kind other than the traffic one's we all get. (Exept for my Wife, the wench!) I lent him my 7MM Magnum becauses it has a 'scope and his shots could be 150 yards plus. Just for my own information I went to the same Wal-Mart and asked for a 100 round Value Pack of 9MM Winchester white box. The kid behind the counter gave me a blank look and then asked "Is that pistol bullet's? When I said yes, he unlocked the case behind him and scanned it for a full two minutes. Then he asked "Is your pistol a Luger?" I said no, and he replied "I only got 9MM Luger bullets." I assured him they were the right ones. He insisted I pay there not at the check out and that I had to take them out of the store immediately. Going back there two day's ago I decided to try the experiment again. There was an older man behind the counter and I asked for 100 round .45ACP Value pack and 100 round 9MM Value pack. No problem. Did I need to pay there? No, pay at the check out. Totally different. What's up with this? My friend contacted the NRA and they told him that Wal-Mart was notorious for this kind of thing. Anybody else been hassled by Wal-Mart?
 

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yes, kinda, the same ammo sort of way, i went back to ind. this spring, and needed .357 and .410 ,it was kinda strange.

the manager was being a dick! the feds have [3]working days to reply yes
or no, they must complete the transaction after [3]working days and NO reponse from the feds.
 

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Wal Mart gun counter horror stories are Legion.

It's the luck of the draw whether or not you get a clerk w/any knowledge of what they are selling.

I had a similar expierience to Terry Gs when buying(or trying to anyways)100rnd WWB 9mm.
The clerk didn't know what 9mm was-he heard of it but that's all.I had to direct his hand to the box.Hotter/colder style.

He gave me a REAL funny look when I asked for all he had(5 boxes).

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brass hammer said:
yes, kinda, the same ammo sort of way, i went back to ind. this spring, and needed .357 and .410 ,it was kinda strange

the manager was being a dick! the feds have [3]working days to reply yes
or no, they must complete the transaction after [3]working days and NO reponse
Actually they may proceed with the transaction not must proceed they as well as any FFL can take it upon themselves to wait until such time as OK comes through.

I dislike Walmart, I don't shop at any of the Walmarts in my area, but I understand some of the many reasons they seem to be of the crack addict mind when it comes to some of their firearm policies. I'm not claiming to understand all of them, just some of them.

The number one reason is to think of the skill level of the people working the floor sales at Walmarts. That's why they have to call managers for gunsales at many stores.

In 2002 walmart made a policy "requiring customers to undergo a background check before buying rifles and shotguns — no matter how long the check takes."

In 2003 walmart suspended sales of rifles and shotguns in its 118 California stores, following nearly 500 violations of state firearms laws in six stores.

There are three reasons why stuff is cheaper at Walmart than it is at other places and yet Walmart rakes in the money.

1)Volume, they buy and sell in huge volumes this lets them get a better price, sometimes sell for less and still make more money.

2) Hire idiots and pay them like they are idiots.

3)Walmart is huge, they can move into an area and as they put it Stomp the Comp, they follow the plan of "run your competition out of business by taking their customers with the lure of lower prices."

One of my favorite lines is that "People who shop at Walmart deserve what they get"

Another is you can have it Quick, good, or cheap pick one.

Walmart is all about getting things at the bottom dollar

Hell walmart paid $200,000 for a lawsuit in NewYork that involved toy guns

Walmart had to defend themselves against a $43 million dollar law suit because they sold a gun to George Lott and used it to kill two people.

Luckily for Walmart this case was in Texas and not in Massachusetts or Southern California or they probably would have lost it and had to appeal.
 

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i stand corrected, thanks pie!
i had/have an arrest[sp?] that red flagged me ,i finally re-newed my expired

c,c,w. the gun dealer i'd buy from the most, knows me well enough, knew it was bull-shit, also.
 

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The Wal-Mart people are bottom feeders. Seriously, other than the teenagers that work there for the after school money and the elderly who do it for the insurance, the rest work there because they can't get another job.
I think the policy at Wal-Mart is to enforce a waiting period even if the state doesn't require it (FL requires no waiting period on long guns, and none on handguns if you have a CCW) a 2 minute NICS check is it.

I bought some Winnie value packs at wally-world once. ONCE.
I asked for all of the value packs they had (apparently, they only stock 5 at a time or something).
The kid asked if the .45 ACP was for a pistol, as that apparently complicates things.
I said no, it was for a 1927A1. . .LOL
{blank look}
you know, a tommy gun, like gangsters used.
{blank look} you mean a glock
No, gangster, not gangsta, like Baby face Nelson, Bonnie and Clyde. . .
{look of horror] you OWN one of those
{big smile} YEP! (no, I lied) and these boxes will just be enough to fill all my drum magazines!

Oh the horror, had to get a manager and everything. Manager had to explain that it doesn't matter what kind of rifle it is, and the question about the pistol is only a criteria if the customer is under 21. . .at least the manager knew something.
 

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A funny Walmart story I read on another board.

Guy goes to Walmart to buy a gun and ammuntion.

Suffers his way through the ordeal, gets escorted to the door and as he's handed his purchases he says to the escorting manager. "I know that it's policy to take me out of the store when I buy a gun and ammunition but you do realize that I used my CCW card for identification don't you?"

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The Wal-mart people know me well. I always pay for the ammo at the front counter. When they ask if the 9mm ammo is for a pistol it's for I say, " no, a MP5":) They usually don't even know what that is.
 

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You guys can knock Wally World all you want (and I may do so sometimes too) but I have to hand them this - they are still in the business of selling firearms so bully for them! Sure they are not the perfect business but they beat others by a long shot (pun intended).

Sears & Roebuck, Montgomery-Ward, K-Mart (in many, many locations if not all by now) and many other large chain type businesses have stopped selling firearms. Others like Macy's, JC Penny's, Target and Kohl's do not sell them and probably never will. Others like the Sports Authority have gotten worse and worse at being a pain in the behind, and the ones near me stopped all handgun sales years ago and, they make you sign a contract when you buy a rifle and their sales people are as bad as any you described. That sucks bigtime, much more than Walmart doing a NICS check or following the true path of capitalism - which is competing to get to the top. (What is so bad about that - this is a capitalist economy isn't it, and we are in the USA and not in the USSR, East Germany, or Red China are we not?)

I would prefer a country full of Walmarts any minute, hour, day, week, month, year, lifetime to a country full of Target Stores, Sears Stores, or small gun shops run by absolute peckerwoods who price gouge at every chance they get (and who also by the way are required to run those same checks)! As a matter of fact I much prefer Walmart to communism, fascism, nazism, or liberalism. I wish there were more around here - Walmarts that is! You know sooner or later the Walmart empire will collapse and that is another reason to want them around now. When they go, if no one fills there slot in the gun world, my guess is that most of you would likely bemoan their loss as a supplier of really inexpensive ammo and guns. If others fill the slot that Walmart filled, there potentially will be lots of competition and great prices for quite a while until another company winds up as king of the hill.

Yeah they may have jerks who work the counters, and you may have to follow their rules to buy a gun, you maybe asked to leave after buying a gun or ammo (I have never been asked to leave after buying only ammo that I recall), and you may not like the fact that they employ one hell of a lot of people who you may feel are young jerks, old farts, and middle aged morons. Sure they have some jerks working there but, I think they hire some pretty decent people for the most part. They are certainly better than many stores that specialize in guns where the owners and employees are out and out condescending, stuck up bung holes who price gouge at every opportunity and who try to make you look like a jerk if you ask a question about a gun. You know the type, don't you - the gun seller gurus who know it all and who look at you like you are some sort of a criminal if you try to buy a box of 32 auto because they believe that is a bad guy round - and they should know from experience RIGHT! Remember these are many of the same guys who were so ridiculous at gun shows that many gun shows have been shut down or banned in certain areas.

No, Walmart is not such a bad place in my experience, not the greatest, but really not bad at all.

All the best,
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I've had similar experiences up here when buying Federal Bulk Pack .22. You get some clerks that are knowledgeable and you get some..... well there is a reason for some wearing a name tag! And its not for the customers!!!!!
 

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Its more the managements fault for putting these kids on the floor without training them. I've been hassled, but it was more out of the ignorance of the clerk than anything else. Then again, I have been looked at funny when I buy their remaining stock of winchester white box .223

Where I live, most arre part-timers w/ no benefits, so they really don't care. They are nice enough, they just don't know enough.
 

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Gelnn, let me clear something up. I'm not complaining about the NICS check. that's an evil of the government. I complained that they go beyond what the law requires and try to enforce a waiting period where there is none. In FL, there is no waiting period for long guns and wally world doesn't sell handguns, so why try to make people wait?

They also don't need to be giving personal opinions on how much you want to buy, beyond asking if you want just one or more (you know, capitalism at work).

If wally world was truly a capitalist organization, they'd be selling handguns as well as long guns, they wouldn't be such assholes about ordering stuff, and they'd keep more that 5 boxes of any type of ammo on hand (even if the bulk of it was kept secured in the back room. I think part of the reason they carry ANY firearms and ammo is they saw the huge backlash places like K-Mart got when they decided to stop. So, it's not a purely capitalist organization, they're just doing the minimum required to keep business.
 

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I was lucky enough to be able to watch various "associates" at the sporting goods check-out, before I finally bought a box of 45 acp. Breezed on thru in an AWM kinda way, with a little Machiavellan planning.
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Magnum,

In FL, there is no waiting period for long guns and wally world doesn't sell handguns, so why try to make people wait?
They make people wait to cover their behinds because of the sharks in the water. Law suits abound, especially on guns and ammo issues lately. So they want to be certain they are not selling to a convicted felon or a psycho who has been adjudicated such. I see nothing wrong with that in light of the fact that there are so many convicted felons, crazy people, and money hungry ready to drop a law suit on anyone types out there. While I understand it is their prerogative to do this, I also understand you not liking it because of the inconvenience. Just imagine though the inconvenience of them putting an end to firearms sales in all Wally Worlds because they get sued by someone over a gun they sold without getting NICS check results - no they may not be required to get one that takes longer than 3 days but it could bite them in the pocket book if they did not wait - so they choose to wait and sell. At least they do sell them.

As for them not selling handguns while they do sell long guns, that doesn't make them any less capitalist. Anyone can choose what they care to sell, when the government decides what you can and cannot sell then we are sunk like were the commies. What makes selling (or maybe I should say not selling) firearms less capitalist and more shall I say socialist, or better yet more communist, is the fact that there are so many out there who want to destroy our right to own them at all. Add to this the fact that there also are many out there who want government to control everything we do. Hand in hand with these two sentiments is the other sentiment of the left that: firearms, handguns and assault rifles in particular, are a extremely vile and nasty evils. This has sort of spread to the general population. If someone sues you for selling a firearm to someone else who used it in a crime - chances are they would be more successful if it was a handgun or an assault rifle that was used in that crime. That is because of the strong anti handgun sentiment in a large portion of the population.

As far as the reasoning for them selling firearms at all possibly being that they are doing it at the minimum just to be able to keep business that is, in my opinion, preposterous. Walmart does not order things in box 5 lots as you seem to imply. They just don't keep any on the shelves in higher numbers (ecept during hunting season). If they ordered in small lots they would not be able to offer the prices that they offer without losing money. They are not losing money last time I heard. They order in bulk, in fact so much so, that they are powerful enough to tell the manufacturers of some items they sell to sell to them exclusively or to manufacture an item to their specs, including firearms. No I don't like that but they do it. Nor do I think they are all that concerned about the backlash that K-Mart received after they stopped selling firearms in many, if not all, locations. The reason they are not concerned is because that backlash meant almost nothing to K-Mart. K-Mart was one of the crappiest businesses in the USA regardless of the backlash from firearms owners. They were on a down hill slide for years and bankruptcy was just about a sure thing for them regardless of any backlash. The thing is though, time often tells about the effects of such backlash, and K-Mart stock just went up 300% about a week or two ago when K-Mart and Sears (two places that pretty much do not sell guns) merged - go figure.

I think Walmart sells guns because it is profitable but; I also think there has to be something else to it. Regardless of potential law suits (which are much less likely now in light of some recent court decisions) it would be profitable for Sears to get back into firearms, as it would be for K-Mart. It would be profitable for stores like Target or JC Penny to sell them too. It would be profitable for Sports Authority to sell handguns, and for that matter it would be profitable for Walmart too. That is it would be potentially profitable which is about all you can bank on when making a decision to sell a product or not sell a product. If they all did it there would be lots of competition, and therein may be found a hidden clue - there is not enough market out there to fuel all that competition. So yeah there has got to be another reason for them to still be selling them in today's law suit crazy world. Maybe it has to do with the Walton's feelings about gun ownership; maybe Sam Walton liked guns. Heck they are now selling a Sam Walton shotgun, why would they do that if they were not in some way pro-gun - they surely don't need to market a gun with the Walton name on it to stay minimally in the business.

As it stands now though, with Walmart selling certain types of firearms and, other stores selling other types of firearms, we wind up with all types of legal firearms and ammunition for them being sold. So you now get to pick and choose where you want to buy all that good stuff. Why on earth would anyone choose Walmart if they are so bad at selling forearms and ammo, and are so bad at customer service? There are lots of reasons, just as there are reasons why you might also go to a small gun shop where the prices are much higher than at Walmart. One of the main reasons people shop Walmart is for convenience - and I'll bet you though I would say for savings. Well that convenience is married to savings. When someone goes to Walmart to buy groceries, CD's, toys, prescription drugs, film, towels, computer paper, diapers, candles, batteries, auto-parts, a book and a gun with some ammo - well it is pretty darned convenient because they are all bought in the same store. It is also saving them money on just about everything they buy. This is the draw of a store like Walmart or Costco. Heck at Costco you even have to pay to be able to shop there but they have a bit of almost everything - alas sadly no guns. What they do not have is a store clerk behind every counter who specializes in what is being sold. One night Bob the 20 year old clerk may be selling goldfish, or car wax, or guns. That is the way it works in big everything stores now-a-days. Walmart is pretty much an everything store like department stores used to be - but Walmart is not as departmentalized as were old time department stores where a clerk who worked in Linens worked there for years. Walmart clerks are like those at K-Mart or Costco, or even like Home Depot or Lowes, they work the store. Therefore they will not be all that knowledgeable about one specific thing unless they have an interest in them. So they look at you with that slack jawed glazed, wide staring, face when you ask a question about a gun or ammo, or when you tell them you own a Tommy Gun - ratt- a-tatt-tatt-tatt-tatt…

So what is the solution to that kind of service. You can go to a local gun store. I have about 4 or 5 within a few miles of my house. Pretty good for a blue state like NY, and I live only 12 - 15 miles from the NYC city line. Sure I can get some good advice on guns at some of these shops. I can also get ammo at them. But is the service any better than that at Walmart or is the amount of on hand stock any better? Let me start with on hand stock. I recently went to several small (not necessarily small for a gun shop - just a regular gun shop is what I mean) gun shops (at least 4) looking for .35 Remington for my Marlin 336. I went first to the gun shops. Not one gun shop had it! This was about 2 months ago. Each guy gave me some excuse. One said it was an obscure cartridge and not much call for it, all the others said we are out of stock but we can order it. I had one guy order it for me. Then I went to two large sporting goods stores: Sports Authority and Galyan's. As I suspected the SA did not have it, the clerk recommended something else! Can you imagine that, in a sporting goods store - not a Wally World type store, the guys suggested I take something else. Then I went to Galyan's where I had bought quite a bit of the same ammo last year. I was told we don't have any, and the salesman started to walk away. Just turned his back on me instead of asking is there anything else I can help you with. So I call him back over and ask if the store can order it; he says they don't stock any and never have stocked it so he doubts they will order any special. I said I bought some there last year and he gave me a look as if I was a loony. I may have a bad memory but not that bad, I know where I buy ammo that is hard to find in my area. So I left.

Well over a month later, on National Ammo Day, I decided to try again, and I remembered I had not tried tent City, an outdoors enthusiast store that sells: canoes, hiking boots, camping stuff, fishing tackle, hunting goods, knives, and firearms and ammo. Well Tent City had lots of that ammo on hand. I bought one or two boxes, because I had actually forgotten it was National Ammo Day. Later on when I remembered it was National Ammo Day I went to a local gun shop to get more ammo. I got at least a few more boxes of .35 Remington, some shotgun shells, some .32 Auto (for which the jerk made me show him my leo credentials) and was about to buy some 7.62x54R (until I saw the price of over $12.00 per box of the soft points - Russian made), and maybe one other type of ammo I cannot recall. This guy wanted to know if I wanted more .35 remington (he was the one who had ordered it for me) but I thought a few boxes were enough. He said that what I saw was all he had, maybe a couple more boxes left on the shelf - so does this mean that the small stores order like you think Walmart does, a few boxes at a time? After that I went to Galyan's, where they still had no .35 Remington (I guess they did not order any for me) but where I picked up more shotgun shells (at just about half the price I had just paid at the gun store - get that at pennies above half the price). Then I went to the Sports Authority to check on more ammo, where I found the shotguns shells about a penny below half price of the gun shop.

Remember the gun shop guy, he told me he gave me a deal because I had bought so much ammo from him and he took something off the price of the shotgun shells and something else I had bought. I spent about $90 on the ammo and he took off a buck or two. Wow what a swell guy, he took off just above 2% on already doubly overpriced ammo. He took off a buck or two, in total, when he charged my about $7.49 for each box of target loads I bought. When I bought the same exact ammo from Galyan's it was $3.99 per box, and had I bought any at the Sports Authority it would have been $3.49 per box. I am willing to bet that had I traveled to Walmart, which is quite a bit of a ride for me, it would have been just as inexpensive or less expensive than it had been at the SA. Another thing is that had I traveled to Walmart, I would not have been treated like a criminal like the guy at the gun store treated me when I asked for .32 auto. The gun store guy told me he had to ask for my creds because .32 auto is a known preference of bad guys (he does not ask if you buy 9mm). I wonder maybe there was another reason he asked. Was it because I had a beard and longish hair, and was wearing scruffy clothing right then! Then he gave me some BS about how nice he was being to give me 2 bucks off of my sale of about $90 of ammo, when I could have saved $8 just by going to the SA for my shotgun shells. Heck that would have bought me two more boxes of it.

So no, I don't think the small gun shops are all that great a deal price or service wise as compared to Walmart. Yeah there is one decent shop nearby, that is Tent City - but they are in essence a mini department store for outdoors enthusiasts, they are not a gun shop. By the way, their price on .35 Remington was over $2 cheaper than was the price at the gun store, again for the exact same ammo. I also have a gun shop not too far away where the service is great, the workers are not condescending, and they freely give free advice; thing is their prices are pretty high too. I live with that sometimes, just because I need some info and advice that I know I am not going to get at a place like Walmart, or when I don't want to drive to a Walmart that sells ammo (some in my area are forbidden by local regulations). I guess the thing is the Wally Worlds, the Sporting Goods Giants, The Sporting Goods Mom and Pop Stores, and the Gun Shops all have their places - and none of them are perfect, not by a long shot! You have to pick the right one to shop at depending on your needs at the time.

All the best,
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Well, Glann, I guess you just have different wal-marts and gun shops, as what you described is diametrically opposed to the situation here.
Wal-Mart here, has little stock of ammo (or they just lie), little selection (WWB or nothing), and aren't much cheaper than the gun shops for ammo (maybe $0.50 per box. But driving to wally world to save $0.50 per box is like driving 20 miles out of the way to buy gas that's $0.02 cheaper per gallon).
As for the waiting period, they're doing nothing to help them in a lawsuit. I'm not talking about NICS checks that take a long time (although I've never had one take more than 5 minutes), I'm talking about checks that go through, and they still want to make you wait.
I dunno, maybe I'm just lucky to have good gun shops (you can buy any "assault" or "saturday night special" without dirty looks, although they might tell you that they think there's a better brand of .32 than what you're asking for) and shitty wal mart.
Of course, we are a red state. . .
 

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I'm talking about checks that go through, and they still want to make you wait.
Well that puts a whole ne w light on things. That is ridiculous, why in hades are they making you wait after the check has been completed?

As for the price differences between up here and down your way, I don't think Walmart's prices are probably any different, my guess is that the gun stores up this way charge a lot more than do the gun stores down your way. Most of them here abouts are way out of line with prices. Forexample I just priced a Ruger 10/22 for my son at a few local stores and at a Walmart. Walmart (in upstate NY and not near me)wanted $199 for the All Weather model (SS Barrel, and black composite stock), the gun stores wanted from $259 to $279 and even a sporting goods store close to that Walmart wanted more money. Sure that is not ammo, but that savings would fill my gas tank and buy lots of 22 ammo. Near me the ammo is cheaper at Walmart than at any Gun Store. As to the Ruger, I am now kicking myself in the butt for not having bought another Ruger they had for sale for the same price. It was also in SS with a barrel a couple or few inches longer, checkered wood stock without barrel band. I came to find out it was a Deluxe Sporter at a really good price. Oh well, its gone now because I hesitated.

As for the bad gun ammo and guns, luckily I only get that bad guy bullet crap from one guy's shop up here. I try to avoid them when I can, but if need something quick they are the closest at hand.

Finally one last note on gun shops. Yes the gun shop personnel in your area are probably much better than the guys around here generally speaking but there are some good ones here too. The guys at one shop, Coliseum Guns, are great but the shop is pretty expensive. The guys at the Tent City Sporting goods store are also pretty good and usually less expensive, Walmart when I can get to one that sells guns is least expensive of all but has hardly anyone who knows guns. Thats why I pick and choose depending on what I need, money saved or good advice.

It has gotta be nice living in a Blue State.

Best regards,
GB
 
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