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TEN TIMES as important than any SHOOTING, is EXTREME speed of getting the gun VISIBLE to the attacker, and "on" him, READY to fire. Then the odds are 10 to 1 that you won't HAVE to fire. A BIG chunk of the time, a MISS will make him stop, you know. That's cause a big chunk of the time, he was UNAWARE of your gun, or believed it was not real, not ready to fire, or you WOULDN'T fire. Many people CAN'T, you know, when it's for blood.

So, secondly in importance, behind EXTREME speed of draw, is extreme speed in FIRING, even if you MISS, at very close ranges, if just the SIGHT of your gun doesn't stop him. If the miss has no effect, and you shouldn't WAIT to find out, actully, THEN you start seriously trying to place your shots into his chest.

Given enough awareness to have hand in pocket, your reaction and getting the gun visible is .50 second or less. TheMISS can be .25-.50 second behind that, and the HITS begin at .25 second or less behind the first (albeit a bit wild, perhaps) shot. Remember,most attacks BEGIN at 6 ft or less. That first shoit, 1 hand hip point tho it IS, is HIGHLY likely to hit him SOMEPLACE, at such short ranges.

ALL of this can occur a LOT faster than garnad can unfasten his stupid winter coat, get past his sport jacket, and get his belt gun out and "level", (much less get a good hit. ) :)

If u have your head so far up your ass that you CAN'T spot trouble, in the 3/4 second needed to get hand in pocket, then the guy is simply going to be all OVER you before you get your belt gun out and into action,most likely. you CAN'T go drawing your gun on everyone who passes within 15 ft of you. You can't even be seen "clearing' your coattail, to allow your gun hand access to the belt rig. Doing so will shortly mean you no longer have a ccw permit, rest assured of that.
 

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Part of what you said is true but the angry attacks on others you have crammed in will cause people to dismiss it as BS. You automatically assume that everyone but yourself is inept. This is not true.

You will never gain respect by posting this way.

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Back to the .25 second draw, right? Trying another way to justify you having your hand in your pocket (on your Johnson or Rosco??) all the time.

As for your self defense dream, you discount how determined the attacker may be, you don't even 'think' about the attacker being on drugs, you don't even realize he may be as stupid as you and being shot at does not even register on his little pea brain. Furthermore you don't even anticipate where that missed shot will land, nor the possiblity of your weapon malfunctioning.

If you are going to keep posting on self defense, at least write down what you 'think', then tear the paper up and 'rethink' some. Your speed at the pen is far faster than the speed of your thoght, and we all know your pen is pretty slow.
 

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If I (God Forbid) ever have to shoot someone in self defense, the last thing I want is for him to see the pistol, becuase if I am that riled your backing down ain't gonna finish it. I do not adverise I carry, but if I pull my pistol out it is not to show off, and someone is going home. Any rounds I fire I need to be able to account for from chamber to stopping point, and misses, however fast do not get it done.
 

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Its only the type of thing that sould be done if the attacker is real close. Close means however far you can reasonably point shoot and hit someone. At six feet, IF you can get your pistola out fast enough you should be able to hit a person.
 

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if you pull a gun, the attacker stops, and you shoot him ANYWAY, sucker, you DESERVE everything that is PROBABLY going to happen to you. At the LEAST, it will cost you $20,000 in lawyer's fees, lost work, bail bondsman's fees, probably having to get a new job, maybe having to leave town, etc, etc, etc. Idiots like you are why most people are VEHEMENTLY against concealed carry by the general public.
 

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your being pissed off has exactly NOTHING to do with a justifiable shooting, dumbass.
 

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If the attacker 'stops'? Who's to say he 'stopped' or not? It's just your word vs the chalk outline. A dollar or two in ammo can save you a lot of legal bills.

Who says the defender 'deserves everything that will happen to him'? That's thinking as if the perp has rights at the scene, or that it's a game.

In AZ, for instance, breaking into an occupied dwelling is automatic grounds for lethal force, regardless of how the intruder is armed. AZ is a 'no retreat' State. In other words, you do not have to make an attempt to back up, hide, or flee. Did you also know that trespassing on posted property can be prosecuted as a felony in this State?
 

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mrostov said:
If the attacker 'stops'? Who's to say he 'stopped' or not? It's just your word vs the chalk outline. A dollar or two in ammo can save you a lot of legal bills.
precisely, and at those ranges, the powder burns really enhance the believability of your story.

Who says the defender 'deserves everything that will happen to him'? That's thinking as if the perp has rights at the scene, or that it's a game.
Typical criminal thought process. How dare someone interrupt his livelihood?

In AZ, for instance, breaking into an occupied dwelling is automatic grounds for lethal force, regardless of how the intruder is armed. AZ is a 'no retreat' State. In other words, you do not have to make an attempt to back up, hide, or flee. Did you also know that trespassing on posted property can be prosecuted as a felony in this State?
In FL, you have to retreat, IF IT WON'T PUT YOU IN MORE DANGER, unless you're in your vehicle or otherwise on your own property. Breaking in someone's house while they are present constitutes intent to do them bodily harm, which authorizes lethal force be used here also.
 

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How ironic!

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Idiots like you are why most people are VEHEMENTLY against concealed carry by the general public.
I think the very same thing when I read your post JD.

In reallity conceiled carry is far more socially acceptable than open carry, everyone in my circle knows I'm always healed, they can't tell with what or where, but they know. It causes no one any problems.

If I'm open carrying, it's obvious it makes some folks visably uncomfortable when we go into public places, even when most of the other folks aren't paying attention enough to relize I'm armed. Thats the reason I do it most of the time, I'm just like that LOL. Even "gun people" are funny about open carry, which tells me even though they are "gun owners" they are far from being citizens.

This mattter of "drawing down" is far too risky for me to play around with and pretty silly if you think about it. You are already at risk or you wouldn't be bringing your weapon into play, now you are going to hold back shooting to see if your attacker is going to stop his attack?

Thats just silly TV [email protected], where everyone is now holding a gun on each other yelling "put it down, put it down".

Thats no chance I'm willing to take with my life. As far as paying for it is concerned, check on your home owners insurance, some cover shootings, some don't.

Teuf,
 

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BECAUSE U ARE INEPT at hand to hand, and you draw a gun when an unarmed punk just SCARES you, that's why. :)
 

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BECAUSE U ARE INEPT at hand to hand, and you draw a gun when an unarmed punk just SCARES you, that's why. :)
Don't know who this is directed at, don't know what the point is you are trying to make, but:

Drawing a gun on an unarmmed opponent may be appropriate, depending on the circumstances, even if you are proficient at hand to hand combat.

You avoid injuring the guy, unless you shoot him - but if he presses the attack after you draw a fire arm, then what would you expect to happen?

Hand to hand - he may be just as skilled as you are (you have no way of knowing.) He may even get lucky.

Why risk it?

The insults and hyperbole are just signs that you would not be disciplined enough to handle it. I really wish you'd stop playing the part of the drama queen with every post.

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A VERY big mistake would be too assume that Your opponent is unqualified to do You damage. Never sell a combatant short. If I need to defend myself(Feel Threatened), then I will use any means at my disposal, and if gomer brought a knife to a gunfight, sucks to be him. A person at a moderate distance(20yds) can stand there empty handed and talk smack all day, until they move towards me.or fill their hands, they are just a annoyance. Once they move from annoyance to target all bets are off, and training kicks in.
 

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u shoot a man, with only a knife,beyond 20 ft, you're going to prison, and you'll also be sued for every dollar you EVER make, and rightly so, too.
 

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u shoot a man, with only a knife,beyond 20 ft, you're going to prison, and you'll also be sued for every dollar you EVER make, and rightly so, too.
Bzzz...

not necessarily true - not necessarily false either. Depends on circumstance.

For example, let's say the man is blocking your only avenue of escape and is advancing towards you with the knife - you warn, brandish weapon, he continues to advance. You can justifiably shoot him - you had no means of escape and were reasonable to be in fear of your life.

You may still want to try to sue, but it would be tough.

Some states, like AZ, have a law thal provides a certain amount of protection from the lawsuit if your shooting is found to be justifiable.

Some of us, are smart enough to not own anything. Go ahead and sue me. The most you can get from me is a couple hundred bucks.

All the stuff that I use, including homes, vehicles, etc. Are owned by a trust and a corporation. Since you would be suing me for my actions, you can only go after what I own. The corporation would not be a party to any mis-deeds that you are trying to sue me for and would be imune from the suit.

If you want more details on how this works, you might want to consult an atty. But, if you try and set up something like this to protect an ilegal enterprise, you might find that you would lose all the protections and be subject to additional procescutions.

Knock yourself out.

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Maybe in Massachusetts. In Arizona, you're waving a knife at someone from only, say, 25ft, the defender can blow you away and walk.

You have a knife after breaking into an occupied dwelling, your life is forfeit. If you live to be arrested you've done well that day.

In AZ I don't even have to be the attecked person. If I see you attack another person or immediately endangering their life I can ghost you.

I've seen lawsuits like that here, from whining perps. They are usually laughed out of court.

Here's an Arizona example (true story):

Dude hears a noise downstairs one night. He grabs his gun, sees someone in the dark kitchen going through the fridge whom he promptly blows away.

The man he killed was a neighbor who had a mental problem and had somehow entered the wrong house.

The homeowner was cleared. Ruled justifiable, unfortunate in that case, but justifiable. The key phrase in Arizona is 'in fear for you life'.

People are getting fed up with the games petty criminals like to play.
 

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Maybe in Massachusetts. In Arizona, you're waving a knife at someone from only, say, 25ft, the defender can blow you away and walk.

You have a knife after breaking into an occupied dwelling, your life is forfeit. If you live to be arrested you've done well that day.

In AZ I don't even have to be the attecked person. If I see you attack another person or immediately endangering their life I can ghost you.

I've seen lawsuits like that here, from whining perps. They are usually laughed out of court.

Here's an Arizona example (true story):

Dude hears a noise downstairs one night. He grabs his gun, sees someone in the dark kitchen going through the fridge whom he promptly blows away.

The man he killed was a neighbor who had a mental problem and had somehow entered the wrong house.

The homeowner was cleared. Ruled justifiable, unfortunate in that case, but justifiable. The key phrase in Arizona is 'in fear for you life'.

People are getting fed up with the games petty criminals like to play.

Pretty much the same here in FL.
 
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