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:rolleyes: OK, before I get fed up with Armslocker’s resident nut case, (or is it, cases?) and drop off the board, again, I’d like to weigh in on this subject. The Yellowstone Caldera is, surely, something to worry about; and who can, really, blame the government for not publicizing it more? However the event I, personally, worry about most is another 9/11. I’m an old chess player; and one of the things you always have to do in chess is to view the board from your opponent’s perspective. So, here goes:

Will there be another airplane attack using American planes on American soil? Quite frankly the odds are against it – a foreign plane, perhaps, but not an American one. Is this sort of repeat attack, even, attractive to Al-Quaida? At this time I do not believe so; these people are thinking in terms of, ‘big numbers’ now; and an airplane or two, presently, holds little interest to them. So what’s up?

I’ve heard rumors, often repeated but largely unsubstantiated, that Osama Bin Laden has promised to commit suicide, right here, in America at sometime in the near future. I’ve, also, heard that Al-Quaida has, ‘the bomb’. Exactly which model is open to speculation. So, given this background, what is the most plausible method of attack for a relatively low-tech group of Muslim fanatics whose historical, ‘strong suite’ is an unabashed willingness to sacrifice themselves in violent confrontation?

Other popular rumors concern threatened attacks against famous national institutions like the White House or the Statue of Liberty. IMO, the White House is more than safe because it's well-known to be a very, 'hard target'; and I doubt that even a crazed Muslim fanatic would waste himself on any lesser target like the Statue of Liberty. What's more, taking out another tall building, or two, is now passé – Even Tom Ridge is expecting it; and, there's simply not enough shock value to warrant the effort!

So if you were an Arab maniac with a big bomb what would you do? Remember delivery is a serious problem; and you don’t have a B-1 bomber to come flying in on. Well now, how about that most unobtrusive and readily available of low tech delivery systems – a ship! That’s right; if I were playing, ‘chess’ with Osama Bin Laden this is, ‘How’ I would view, ‘the board’ from his point-of-view.

There are fewer than a dozen principal commercial entry ports in North America. If only 4 or 5 of them were to be successfully attacked and taken out, life as we have known it in the Western world would change forever; and the extraordinarily high, ‘body count’ would be exactly what Al-Quaida is looking for!

Are we, as a nation, ready for this? No, not from what I've seen - so far! Are North American commercial ports, really, easy targets for a devastating low tech/big bomb attack? Yes, they are - and beyond any shadow of doubt, too! Is the probability of carrying out a successful attack(s) weighted in favor of the crazy Muslim aggressors? Yes, unquestionably, it is! Now, is Al-Quaida going to, at least, attempt to carry out this sort of an attack(s)? Again, in my opinion, they would be very foolish to overlook this blatantly obvious, 'soft belly' in America's defensive armor.

Coordinated Atomic bomb attacks on America’s principal ports is the next smart move on Osama Bin Laden’s, 'Chess board'. What a damned shame that in spite of the Patriot Act, and the sacrifice of so many of our cherished historical freedoms, America is, still, goofing around, foolishly involved in a broad range of disorganized military gestures all across the globe while our homeland remains, quite literally, wide open to devastating attack! We don’t need to disband our hard-won civil liberties in order to protect the nation; instead, we need to protect our ports, and take a lesson from our forefathers by defending ourselves against this skulking, ‘enemy within’.

Pray that I’m wrong; I know I do. :(
 

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Heck, I think everyone has been waiting for the other shoe to drop after 9-11. I had a show to do up in Maryland the weekend after 9-11 and I have to admit I wasn't at all thrilled about driving around Washington DC's beltway then! I kept expecting the A-bomb blast the whole time. It was wierd though, not seeing a plane in the sky the whole trip.

So the last couple of Christmas Days I think, well this is it. This will be when they will strike because of the symbolic gesture. Or maybe Easter..... But nope, hasn't happened.

Honestly, I think the only reason they have not struck yet is because they cannot. Otherwise why wait so long? As a country, they had us on the ropes and another slap would have driven most people into sheer panic.

A good chess played gets as many pieces in place as possible before their strategy becomes apparent to the opponent. Either they already had nukes and operations personel within the USA borders before 9-11, or there was no way to do it then, and certainly no way now. Or if they did, the only ones that knew the whereabouts of those devices have been neutralized.

Or devices HAVE been uncovered and neutralized and the government sees no reason to tell us about it. What would that accomplish besides a major panic? Everyone will immediately start thinking about the one or ones they probably haven't found yet.

Of course this brings up a short poll about 9-11 itself:

Pick one:

(1) Our intelligence network is so inept that they didn't have a clue about multiple commercial airliners being hijacked in a coordinated effort that required a lot of time, effort and planning on the part of the perpetrators.

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(2) Our intelligence network knew of this effort and this information was squelched or not acted on for some reason. The hijackings were ALLOWED to succeed.

Now, which ones gives you the coziest big warm fuzzy feeling?
 

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Tom Rindge, was at the Los Angeles Harbor today, speaking about the same thing the Arc Angel was alluding to.

Sooo, I think the government is well aware of the problem. Do they know what to do about it? Not yet, but they are moving on it.

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I don't know.I see a bunch of potential targets.I don't nessecarily see an American one as the next big one.
Usama bin-Laden isn't stupid.Why would he want to fire up the American people in support of President Bush in an election year.Why not wait until after the elections are over-It's quite possible that Kerry will win.He knows that GB isn't shy about spending money but Kerry is an unknown....
I would think that better potential targets right now are in Pakistan,the far east,& Israel.
I've often wondered if the fanatics weren't just loopy enough to nuke Israel into a burning wasteland.I've read that the Syrians don't especially care for the Palestinian refugees so why get upset if THAT particular drain on their economy disapears.If Israel were to be completely destroyed-remember,it's not really that big a place-what would be the worlds reaction?Most of the world would either say "So what?" or "Too bad." or "They had it coming!"
I think it would be hard to justify sending an army to revenge the memories of the Israelies.I think that popular support wouldn't be there.If it were done by a soverign nation then yeah,but by a bunch of terrorists?Who to attack?Nope,won't happen.
Now,for an attack on America ourself?Last year a power grid in the upper midwest was overloaded & shut off power from Detroit to NYC.Lots of speculation about why until the utility companies started pointing fingers & blah blah blah.Now consider what would happen if a small nuke were to be detonated around,say,Detroit?Michigan would lose a whole slew of scummy Liberals(No problem there!)BUT,the fallout from that would also take out Windsor Canada & the Gulf Stream moves east from there.Think about it.The Great Lakes-a huge supply of fresh water for lots of states & Canada-would be polluted.As would northern Ohio,Pennsylvania,New York,Toronto & the Ohio river system.The whole St.Lawrence seaway would be polluted.
I'm going to stop now.Lest I spend the rest of the day turning myself into a paranoid,gibbering mess.
 

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Originally posted by Stillwater (Edited for concept and syntax) Tom Ridge was at the Los Angeles Harbor, today, speaking about some of the things Arc Angel is alluding to.

Sooo, I think the government is well aware of the problem. Do they know what to do about it? Not yet, but, they are moving on it.
:rolleyes: Well, then, it looks like we've entered the let's, 'talking about it' stage of events. Now, all we need to do is strenuously regulate commercial shipping; and keep Middle East traffic to a distant, absolute minimum. Judging by the speed of past performance, do you think any of this is going to happen - anytime soon?

Then there's that deliberately ignored and completely un:discussed problem with America’s resident 5th columnists; and don't say anything about, 'religious freedom and social equality'. If you've read the Koran, then, you know that ALL of Western civilization is NOT included in Muslim theology! Devout Muslim faith clearly precludes the rational concepts of: religious tolerance, political compromise, or peaceful social coexistence with infidels.

After all, when you stop to think about it, BOTH attacks on the World Trade Center were not launched from the Middle East. They were planned, practiced, and perpetrated - right here – inside of the United States! The next attack will have similar origins; and, like it or not, we’re all no better off than a flock of sitting ducks. :mad:
 

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I think his next move should be on a lower scale than 9-11. Osama should use a gas or propane tanker truck and pick out a small po-dunk town somewhere and blow up a school and kill a bunch of kids. In picking the small town like one with 3000 or so people and making an attack would end the thought that only a large city will be a target. Just like everyone else I hope that it doesn't happen. God Bless America!!

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easiest,most effective thing for one

man to do would be to have a a parachute, steal a small plane from a small airfield some summer night, remove its door before takeoff, have a couple cases of road flares, and burn CA off of the map in 4-5 hours, head the plane out to see, bail out, and walk away from it all. One man can cost the country about 10% of its GNP, with almost no risk.

If a dozen guys were to do the Tylenol thing, with syringes up their sleeves, to random food products, each hitting a dozen stores a day, for a couple of weeks, it'd RUIN the supermarkets. Nobody'd eat a thing that wasn't in a metal can, and the rest of the food would all rot. It would hurt the economy MANY billions of $
 

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it would be a lot easier to sell ice cream

treats for half price, laced with some slow acting, irreversible poison, like arsenic. One guy could do that, and be LONG gone before anyone knew what had been done.
 
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I thought you got caught, last time you tried to hijack a Dicki Dee ice cream truck?? Didn't you suffer from a massive beating by a creamsickle??
 

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Arc Angel said:
:rolleyes: Well, then, it looks like we've entered the let's, 'talking about it' stage of events. Now, all we need to do is strenuously regulate commercial shipping; and keep Middle East traffic to a distant, absolute minimum. Judging by the speed of past performance, do you think any of this is going to happen - anytime soon?
No, I don't see any of this happening very soon. The history of government action, is one of lethargy.

Then there's that deliberately ignored and completely un:discussed problem with America’s resident 5th columnists; and don't say anything about, 'religious freedom and social equality'. If you've read the Koran, then, you know that ALL of Western civilization is NOT included in Muslim theology! Devout Muslim faith clearly precludes the rational concepts of: religious tolerance, political compromise, or peaceful social coexistence with infidels.
If you were a government official, in charge of a Law enforcement agency (FBI), and if you would dare mention some of our immigrant citizens, could constitute a fifth column, publically. There would be a vicious liberal media hullabaloo over PROFILING. This would blunt any effectivity of the warning.

The profiling boogie man, effectively blocks any substantive public discussion of the possibility of fifth column activity, or free and open discussion of other substantive societal issues.

The idea of an established fifth column is one of the scariest things I could imagine. And, I think it is the most viable scenario to have to deal with.

After all, when you stop to think about it, BOTH attacks on the World Trade Center were not launched from the Middle East. They were planned, practiced, and perpetrated - right here – inside of the United States! The next attack will have similar origins; and, like it or not, we’re all no better off than a flock of sitting ducks. :mad:
As far as we know, the basic idea for the second World Trade Center attack, was hatched in Afghanistan and Pakistan, at the outset. The final planning, and implementation was done in the United States. The first World Trade Center attack was planned, and carried out, stateside.

The basic tenents of a free, and open society, prevent the government from developing an effective domestic intelligence apparatus. I'm not sure I would want that, would you? Who would want to live next door, to someone, that would rat you out for anything, just to be mean?

A domestic intelligence system would be the most abused entity in government.

Sooo, freedom does have it's problems. The theory that every dog gets one bite, means that until you have shown, that you are dangerous, you are left alone. A free, and open society is messy, and dangerous, but the only way to be truly free.

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I believe that Al Qaeda can and will get at least one nuclear weapon into the U.S. and detonate it (them). They are not doing all they can to defeat us if they don't.

What is scary is what may happen to the country afterwards...
 

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Amen. Security and freedom are in many respects apparently mutually exclusive conditions. We cannot have 100 percent complete freedom because there is always someone who will use that freedom to take something from someone else because they are free to do so. So we try to limit the freedom of someone to be able to do that, but at the same time we deny ourselves that freedom as well. Each little step in the direction to limit someone else's freedom to provide us with a little bit more security gradually whittles away at our own freedoms as we glady give them up thinking that the security it brings is preferable to being a victim of someone else's freedom.

This is the type of argument that anti-gunners always use. "Do you really want someone else to have a nuclear weapon right next door to you?" And of course, once you say "no", it goes down hill from there. Because once you admit that we need a limit to freedom, then you have to admit to the probability that someone else may get to choose the limit of your freedom for you.

So when an anti-gunner asks me that nuclear weapon question, I just tell them "Sure! As long as I get one too. And I'll bet as neighbors we'll be the best of friends." They don't have a clue how to respond to that answer.....
 

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man in NYC, holding a dead man switch

with his thumb, controling an H Bomb centered on the city, is the "rightest" man who ever lived, bet on it. :) He's going to get WHATEVER he wants, INSTANTLY,no complaints, even. :) A US with NYC a smoking crater is a US with no economy left.
 

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Re: man in NYC, holding a dead man switch

andy said:
with his thumb, controling an H Bomb centered on the city, is the "rightest" man who ever lived, bet on it. :) He's going to get WHATEVER he wants, INSTANTLY,no complaints, even. :) A US with NYC a smoking crater is a US with no economy left.
Where is he going to get the H-Bomb, TARD? You don't buy them at flea markets, or assemble them in a garage. There are only two countries that have developed H-Bombs, and it took them years to do it. What a silly nut-case you are!

What a crazy jumble of emotions must be going on in your diseased mind. I have never seen you stay on topic once.

Why do you always post such evil, impractical, blood and thunder?

You're no Rambo TARD. In your mind, you may think so, but you're really more like Rambette.

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andy said:
(The) easiest,most effective thing for one man to do would be to have a a parachute, steal a small plane from a small airfield some summer night, remove its door before takeoff, have a couple cases of road flares, and burn CA off of the map in 4-5 hours, head the plane out to see, bail out, and walk away from it all. One man can cost the country about 10% of its GNP, with almost no risk.
:eek: Gee, thanks for publishing this, Andy. You, really do, hate California - don't you! :bomb:

PS: Hey, Rich, it's just a thought; but, you might want to get rid of his post(s)! :rolleyes:
 

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Sorry, Arc Angel, but I can't very well say I support the Second Amendment and then crap on the First Amendment, now can I?

I am not about to sit here and try to judge what is suitable material to be posted and read here. I am sure some things WILL be inappropriate, and all I can say is that I will know it when I see it.
 

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Actually Rich,you CAN crap on the first
Because:a)The .gov has set a precedent for selective Constitutional interpretation
& b)it's your site
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2pts for the subtle Supreme Ct porn reference.
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Sorry, Arc Angel, but I can't very well say I support the Second Amendment and then crap on the First Amendment, now can I?

I am not about to sit here and try to judge what is suitable material to be posted and read here. I am sure some things WILL be inappropriate, and all I can say is that I will know it when I see it.
:eek: Ah, it's starting to become more clear! NOW I understand, 'Why' your resident nut-case has such free rein at ArmsLocker Forums. Are you blind? Apparently you have completely failed to notice that the nut-case has posted an entirely viable and easily conducted terror-scheme against this country.

First Amendment protections do NOT extend to the publication of, either, how to manufacture atomic bombs nor how to burn down the state of California.

Quite frankly, your resident nut-case’s urban terror scheme is one of the most destructive ideas I’ve, ever, heard. Obviously it WOULD work! The fact that you are willing to leave this message posted on a public board where ANYONE can read it, absolutely, amazes me!

If you genuinely fail to appreciate the inherent public danger, here, I must conclude that there is a serious flaw in your ability to reason. Haven’t you, ever, seen one of those infamous Florida pinelands fires – the kind that go on for days and days, wipe out entire sub-divisions, and local fire departments have extreme difficulty trying to contain and extinguish?

Apparently I was correct to jump off this board several months ago; right now, I’m genuinely sorry you invited me back because I, really, don’t want to be any part of this! Perhaps you would; but I, never, make the same mistake twice – That’s it, pal, I’m out ‘a here.


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Arc Angel said:
:eek: Ah, it's starting to become more clear! NOW I understand, 'Why' your resident nut-case has such free rein at ArmsLocker Forums. Are you blind? Apparently you have completely failed to notice that the nut-case has posted an entirely viable and easily conducted terror-scheme against this country.

Quite frankly, your resident nut-case’s urban terror scheme is one of the most destructive ideas I’ve, ever, heard. Obviously it WOULD work! The fact that you are willing to leave this message posted on a public board where ANYONE can read it, absolutely, amazes me!
To think that you believe that our "resident nut case's" ideas are entirely original utterly amazes me. Better terrorist scenarios can be found in paperback books and they are all over the internet. They are available to everyone, including children. I am sorry that you are so overly sensitive but there is danger everywhere so get a grasp on the real world. I would rather have free speech and exchange of ideas than Orwellian thought control any day.

The terrorists are not entirely stupid and I'm certain that they have dreamed up far better plans involving more destruction than you can imagine. I hope that we can stop them in time.

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