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you put the stupid, big, heavy pistol, hmm? You can't carry the kitchen sink, and a pocket 9 and a canned pocket .22lr are worth a LOT more, post shtf, than is ANY (ON) big, heavy centerfire or rimfire pistol. They CAN'T be ccw'd, while still being swiftly accessible, while wearing a backpack and carrying a rifle. The pocket pistol can be. The canned M21 .22lr auto will ride just fine in the thigh pocket of cammies. The pocket 9 rides in the same front pants pocket rig that it always does. Very simple, nothing special for shtf. When conceal the rifle in the backpack, the M21 Beretta goes in the top-opening fanny- pack, that's all. Thigh rigs SUCK for long term wear in the bush, and not having the pc concealed is stupid, too. ccw protects it from the elements, and can give you the critical edge needed in some types of confrontations.

While having the rifle concealed, you can still need to QUIETLY "put down" a man or a dog, and while the rifle is in 223 "mode', you can get a 30 ft or less shot at a small critter. The canned 22 pistol easily handles such. When you are that close to a critter, the 20 seconds, and lots of movement needed to swap the AR to .22lr caliber is a bit unlikely to be granted to you. So you let the rifle down onto its assault sling, slide out the M21, Pop the critter, and go on your way.

1-2 punks with knives or clubs confront you as you try to sneak thru a given area, looking innocuous (ie, rifle hidden in pack) the M21, if used well and suddenly, can shut them down just fine, and do so without calling in everybody within a mile radius of you.
 

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A lump of metal in a thigh pocket of cargo pants or BDUs sucks. Those things are called "map pockets" for a reason.

A suppressed whatsit in a fanny pack isn't a bad idea, though. Even a compact pistol in a regular caliber can ride along in said pack with a suppressor and be quickly assembled.
 

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po'lil wussy, put a layer of "stiffener" material in the pocket

and the 15 ozs (loaded) of the M21 won't bother your wil' leggy.
 

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Yep, I'm just a wuss.

I usually do 12-15 miles on a day hike with a light pack. Granted, that number would probably be either a lot lower, if sneaking about, or higher, if legging it, and it is certainly variable according to the terrain. Still, it gives me a reference for carrying dense materials like chunks of metal in a map pocket. If you enjoy having some crap banging into your leg with every step you take for hours on end, have at it. I'll skip it and use a proper holster.
 

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. . .is afraid to even go on a simple hike lest he hurt himself. He thinks a thigh rig is untenable, yet wants to carry his handguns in his pockets, which is about useless if you're carrying a pack with a belt, or in his thigh pocket, of course anyone who tried this knows why it doesn't work.

If he wasn't afraid to do ANYTHING, he might know such things.
 

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Obviously the gentleman speaking has NO FIELD EXPERIENCE at all. In my younger days in the field I prefered either the American M3 or M7 holster for carrying my issue Browning when humping a ruck or PRC 25 set. It might be ugly but is a very serviceable holster for the field when concealment is not required. Hey junior, if the balloon ever goes up, concealment won't be an issue! Live the reality, NOT the fantasy.
 
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I've carried a .38 in a pocket holster for years now. It's not the best in all situations by a long shot (Can't easily access it when the leg isnt parallel to the trunk, as most of us know, and the hip belt on a pack would probably bugger things up, too). It's still a damn sight better than wandering around with even a light piece of metal in a thigh pocket for any length of time.
 

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when DO have rifle ready,wearing backpack, where do you put the stupid, big, heavy pistol, hmm?
Well, you might want to try a real frigging holster.

Oh, a kydex liner for your pants pocket, my isn't that special. Pocket carry is assinine and speaks of NO real experience in the field.

You have no clue. Try walking around for a couple of days with anything heavier than gloves, a cap, or a map in your cargo pockets and you'll learn.

You're carrying an assault rifle and wearing BDU's but you are worried that someone might see your pistol?

BTW, you can conceil a full sized M1911 if you have to, provided you're not a midget.
 

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You have no clue. Try walking around for a couple of days with anything heavier than gloves, a cap, or a map in your cargo pockets and you'll learn.

Yep, tried that with the .22 conversion and spare mag for the 1911. Thought it was a great idea until we did one of our 1-week survuval trips. It quickly made its way to the pack.
 

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"when DO have rifle ready,wearing backpack, where do you put the stupid, big, heavy pistol, hmm?"

In a belt holster on my wen US Army pistol belt. I carried an N frame S&W .357 Magnum It was big and it was not light, but it cerainly was not stupid. It saved my life twice,

I have carried a pistol in a side pants pocket in civilian life. In a good holster it worked well, but I would consider anyone who carried his pistol in combat to be very foolish indeed.
 

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Most back packs have a belt as well as suspenders. Just about any holster can be put on the backpacks belt (the service holster now used as a real neat clip that is easy to put on any large belt.)

If you want a lighter gun, get a kyndex holster that fits on the shoulder straps of the back pack.

Both systems are well ahead of any pocket carry. Like the others said, such comments as gunkids shows zero knowledge of the real world.
 

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The only problem with attaching a handgun to the ruck, being at the first possibility of hostile activity or even building a hide for the night, you are going to drop your ruck. It is difficult to engage in combat wearing a ruck, or "digging" in for the night wearing a ruck. Which means dropping one of your firearms. A handgun is a last ditch defense gun that should be available at all times. Living for weeks in the bush is not like walking down to the 7-11 for a slurpy! The kit requirements are vastly different.

I attended a 3 gun match back in July, one of the competitors was wearing a kydex holster on his webbing. First it looked a little foolish and secondly it would not have retained the handgun securely while running over hill and dale for weeks at a time. There are more practical holsters than that one for field use.
 

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Garand,

That's why I like the Bianchi fast lock system. You can take it off a backpack in just a few seconds and transfer it to any kind of belt.
 

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If your under fire or there is the possibility of hostile activity, you might not have those few seconds. Personally I'd rather have the handgun attached to my belt or a separate holster.
 

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I have to say keep your pistol on you. When backpacking I use the old M7 "tanker" holster also. It keeps the pistol more to your front, and out of the way of the rucksack straps. It fit's my Colt .45 of course, and my Taurus 9's without a problem. I would not want to drop my ruck and wander off to find firewood or whatever and realize I need that pistol real bad, right now!
 

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I used to wear an M7 holster in the field, when I was employed as a machine gunner with a Browning 9mm and during armed escort duties during the winter time. I still have both an M3 & an M7.
 
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