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I felt that after 9/11 that the anti-Second Amendment lobby would either back off or be stunted, but they seem to have regrouped. Americans have to wake up and realize that the second amendment is the only one that makes provisions for our physical self defense. You can't have a first amendment that is protected without the second amendment. Without the right to keep and bare arms we will be protect only by government. Government is often the entity that the people need to be protected from most! What do you think, and where do you think we're headed?
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I have often heard people say something to the effect: "Well the First Amendment doesn't guarantee you the right to yell 'FIRE!' in a crowded movie theater, now does it? So why do you believe you have a right to ALL of those types of nasty weapons?"

Well the problem with this comparison is that the removal of our right to bear arms appropriate for our common and personal defense is the equivalent to having your tongue removed before you walk into the movie theater. Then what happens if there really IS a fire in there? ;)

Oh sure! It can't happen here, now can it? I remember talking to a friend of mine when the bill was being debated to ban assault weapons. He said "What? They can't do that! This is America!"

So tell me, what was is it about Communism that we were expected to go and fight to the death to keep from coming here that is any different from what America is now becoming?

And what exactly are the military forces of the USA fighting FOR these days? I forget.....

What can criminals do to me that is any worse than what some government agencies would do in the performance of their duties upholding the "law"?

So where are we headed? Nowhere good unless a lot of people just decide to draw a line in the sand and stick to it.


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IMO, those anti-gun people can talk all they want. When the devil needs long-johns, our government may try to take our weapons away...and good luck trying! Who will be responsible to obtain all the private weapons? Army? National Guard? Police? It's their friends, neighbors and family they'll be up against...and they are a very large and well-armed force!

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I thought You guys might find this article interesting. It was from back in 2000 from the BBC. It seems that when criminals know you're not armed they are more likely to strike.
BBC News Article text


Tuesday, 18 January, 2000, 16:02 GMT

Street crime surges
A huge surge in muggings, amid a worrying rise in violent crime, have been revealed in Home Office statistics.

The figures for recorded offences, a blow to the government's anti-crime crusade, show the first rise in England and Wales for six years.

The number of robberies - most of them muggings - increased by 19% in the year to September 1999 compared with a fall of nearly 6% over the previous 12 months.

Overall, police in England and Wales recorded a total of 5.2 million offences in the year to September 1999 - an increase of 2.2%.

'Hard reality'
Home Secretary Jack Straw acknowledged the increase, but said the figures showed "a dramatic variation in crime rates across the country".

But Fred Broughton, chairman of the Police Federation of England and Wales, immediately demanded more cash to deal with a situation which he said was "nothing short of alarming".

He said: "The figures are the hard reality of fewer police, underfunding and big increases in workloads."

The home office figures showed that the biggest rise in crime was recorded by the City of London force, which saw a 22% rise, followed by the West Midlands force (16%) and Bedfordshire (12%).

Stop and search
In London, Britain's biggest force, the Metropolitan Police, saw its total number of offences top the million mark with a 9% rise in offences.

The city has witnessed a heated debate over stop and search tactics which have disproportionately targeted members of the black community.

Stop and searches have declined following the Macpherson Report into the death of the black teenager Stephen Lawrence - which criticised the tendency to target black and Asian youths.

Some senior policemen have blamed that for an increase in street crime, and Mr Straw admitted the reluctance of officers to use stop and search powers following the report "may have been a factor" behind the rise.

He said: "It has obviously made a difference. I am aware of course that the Lawrence report did represent a deep trauma for many officers in the Metropolitan Police Service and they became very concerned indeed about whether actions on the street could be categorised as racist.

"We want to see the Metropolitan Police use those powers. I think we will see, after the shock to the service in the past year as a result of the Lawrence report, an improvement in their work on the streets."

The figures released on Tuesday are broken down into divisional areas of police forces for the first time.

They show a variable picture of the ability of forces to tackle crime, with Lancashire showing the biggest drop in offences with 11%.

Rapes increase sharply
The rise in violent crime, which includes attacks, sex offences and robbery, is the largest since 1995/1996, when attacks increased by 10%.

Paul Wiles, director of Research, Development and Statistics at the home office, said the overall increase in crime was caused by the rises recorded by just two forces, the Metropolitan Police and the West Midlands force, which saw a combined rise in offences of 129,000, larger than the overall increase across England and Wales of 115,000.

But he said both these forces had been affected particularly by a new system for recording crime.

The report said two-thirds of the increased robberies had taken place in just four forces: the Met, West Midlands, Greater Manchester and West Yorkshire.

Increased wealth
But West Yorkshire - along with Northumbria - was one of just two metropolitan forces where crime fell.

Research published by the home office last year suggested Britain was on the brink of a sharp rise in crime, partly due to increased personal wealth.

Most offences are committed by men aged under 24, while the 1980s baby boom also contributed to warnings of imminent problems.

Publication of the crime figures coincided with the first meeting between Prime Minister Tony Blair and the incoming Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, John Stevens.

Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Simon Hughes said the figures gave the government "a clear warning" that police chiefs need increased resources.

Shadow home secretary Ann Widdecombe said: "People will be quite right to demand an urgent explanation from the Home Secretary as to why we are less and less safe on our streets and in our homes under the party who promised to be tough on crime."

Crime figures for Scotland will be published in March or April.
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