where's your crystal ball? the one that

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andy

Discussion Starter · May 2, 2004

will tell you, after shtf,when it's ok to only have a scoped bolt action, smg, AK, .22lr, shotgun, etc, hmm? Me, I will be carrying the ONE longarm with maximum versatility and utility. That is a suppressed, short barreled CAR-15, with .22lr conversion unit. No trips back home to get the "ideal" longarm for a given job, just up and USE what you got, making up for its deficiencies with your ABILITIES. If I didn't have any more abilty than you guys have, I'd WORK on improving, instead of bsing about the "special" guns I owned)which you wont HAVE when needed, and which have HORRIBLE shortcomings for most other sorts of longarm jobs. The .22 lacks power, the shotgun lacks range, penetration, mag capacity, lw,compact ammo. The AK lacks range, lw, replacable ammo, efficicient foraging. The bolt action lacks foraging, and rapidfire, the smg lacks pretty much everything.

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· #2 · May 10, 2004

Hey, mr armageddon, what if some carlos hathcock impersonator puts a round right into your ar receiver and then turns the dogs loose on you? I'm going to make it a point to highlight your idiotic rantings and ravings, as if that needed to be done. You're kind of like the drunk who sits at the bar telling all and sundry what an asskicker you are, right up to the point where they find you laying in an alley with the s--t beat out of you, and they just take a leak on you and walk away. The only difference is, you're more of a coward than that guy.

andy

Discussion Starter · #3 · May 10, 2004

I'll meet YOU, in Durango, CO, any time

u want to bet enough to make it worth my trouble, punk. stomp your guts, blow a hole in you, whatever you'd like to see, punk.

bucfan

· #4 · May 10, 2004

Mr Delta,
What spare parts to fix your ar style rifle do you carry with you? Lets just say that you are out of 223 and you are down to your 22 conversion kit and the conversion kit breaks down. What will you do then? the ar-15 has lots of parts that can break. I only ask because we all know how smart you are and surely you have thought of this. Oah and what kind of water purification tool do you use? What method of strting fires will you use? What about cold weather? what if it hits the fan during the summer time and then winter comes? How many days of food will you carry? And also what kind of dogs came after you? What were you doing to have been involved with that many attacks? just a few Q's.

Nick

Rich Z

· #5 · May 10, 2004

I'll meet YOU, in Durango, CO, any time
u want to bet enough to make it worth my trouble, punk. stomp your guts, blow a hole in you, whatever you'd like to see, punk.

That sounds like a threat to me, mister. One more occasion of that here and you are no longer welcome on this site.

bucfan

· #6 · May 10, 2004

Just a few more Q's
How fast can you run 2 miles? How long does it take you to hump 12 miles combat loaded? How many day a week do you work out? I only ask because when shtf you will need to shoot and move. how are your land nav skills? Will you have a set point or will you just move around and around? What kind of boots will you ware? because any good combat vet like yourself must know a grunts feet is his life? I will have more when these are answered.

Nick

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· #7 · May 10, 2004

hey bucfan, I have a few followup questions for andy, since he hasn't answered yours yet. He's probably going through his books looking for the answers. At the end of his 2 mile run, will he be stopping near a clean stream, or should the question be, how far can you run carrying everything you need, including water because with no navigational skills and bad boots, the chances of going back and finding what you left are slim, and depending on what you were running from, it might not be there anyway, but there might be a booby trap, just a little hole with a few sharp stakes right through your foot. Rich Z is right , come up with every possible scenario and the solution to it and you know what you'll wind up with. A tombstone that says, " here lies a peabrain who thought he was ready for anything,...he wasn't."

bucfan

· #8 · May 10, 2004

Yah think he knows what a back azimuth is?

ASPHALT COWBOY

· #9 · May 11, 2004

seven years in the Army, couldn't count the number of his type we sent looking for squelch grease, left handed torque wrenches and grid squares.

bucfan

· #10 · May 11, 2004

AAAH yes the good ole box of grid squares! How bout spark plug wires for a duce and a half!

Nick

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· #11 · May 11, 2004

Come on guys, give me time, now you have me looking for grid squares and I haven't even found my brass magnet yet. I think it's in the same box with my metric crescent wrench.

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· #12 · May 11, 2004

2 miles, just running shorts? 15 mins

if we are talking flat track. I'm 52, and don't work at it much. 12 miles, with combat load? depends on terrain, conditions, whether or not I have any speed, painkillers, how well I slept last night. flat, solid ground, about 5 hours, with 50 lb load. Katadyne mini-filter. All that map and compass stuff ASSUMES you can and want to walk straight lines, and that you have the right map for the area, lots of STUPID assumptions. The BOB only contains 2 lbs of rations, plus salt, spices, non-hybrid seeds. Any fit man can move hard for 2 days on no rations, 4 days on what I carry, and by then, anyone with anything on the ball will have popped a cow, or found a granary, etc.

There's a complete spare bolt for the 223 in the pistol grip, and 2 pistols, so by the time anything breaks in the rifle, there will be plenty of ammo and guns, retrieved from the dead.

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· #13 · May 11, 2004

I knew more about this subject, in

high school than you will ever learn, dummy

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· #14 · May 11, 2004

Not that andy needs my approval on anything, but if that's who wrote this, it's pretty well done. I'm as combative as they come when it comes to calling names or anything else for that matter, but you can also take the good when it comes. If I see an advantage to the ar, it's that a completely assembled lower doesn't add much to your load. I will add that if you refer to your compass going, it will be relevant if the time comes to go back. The Green Beret compass course by Don Paul, Pathfinder Publications is worth a look in this regard. This forum seems to me the ideal place to share gun and survival ideas, and ideas should be pondered, no matter whose they are. When you deal with strong personalities, you will get some strong opinions, from time to time.

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· #15 · May 11, 2004

Hey andy, everybody I talked to in duranghole says you're the biggest p-ssy around. The only time they ever see you is if they spill something at walmart or if you're going to the library for more gun books. Maybe you'll read about some more realistic scenarios than the ones you keep harping on, where you're running for your worthless life, shooting cows for snacks, and picking the pockets of the dead. You really don't get it at all, do you. You're the only person who doesn't think you're a pos, and sometimes I wonder if maybe you do. You can't pretend to be smart and stupid at the same time. So you just pretend to be smart and the stupid just comes naturally.

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· #16 · May 11, 2004

Nobody knows me in Durango, punk

and there's NOTHING at all likely to go wrong in the lower receiver of an AR. There's nothing likely to go wrong anywhere, other than in the bolt assembly, gas rings, extractor, ejector, or firing pin.

You clowns think you are going to win by MISSING a lot, making a lot of noise, stupidly being in the open in daylight. I intend to be using a can on the CAR, and do 90+% of the shooting that has to be done, will be done with the .22 unit and subsonic lr's.

By the time I've fired 20 rds of 223, and 50 rds of .22lr, I'm gonna have dozens of guns and hundreds of rounds to pick up, left laying beside guys like you.

ASPHALT COWBOY

· #17 · May 11, 2004

Re: Nobody knows me in Durango, punk

Unregistered said:
and there's NOTHING at all likely to go wrong in the lower receiver of an AR. There's nothing likely to go wrong anywhere, other than in the bolt assembly, gas rings, extractor, ejector, or firing pin.

You clowns think you are going to win by MISSING a lot, making a lot of noise, stupidly being in the open in daylight. I intend to be using a can on the CAR, and do 90+% of the shooting that has to be done, will be done with the .22 unit and subsonic lr's.

By the time I've fired 20 rds of 223, and 50 rds of .22lr, I'm gonna have dozens of guns and hundreds of rounds to pick up, left laying beside guys like you.

let's see a show of hands, do I subscribe to his mind-set, stoop to his level? actually reply in like manner?:shrugs:

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· #18 · May 12, 2004

If you know so much, d--khead, then when is the [bleep] going to hit the fan? Is the first you hear about it when you're taking your last breath, because some know nothing punk dummy just slit your throat, or blew up your car, or will you be shot by the cops when they come to take your contraband suppressors, or...? It must be comforting to be such an idiot that you think that things will happen the way you plan for them to happen, and then herds of people are going to be marching by you to be summarily executed. Anybody who sits on their ass as much as you obviously do and thinks that the world will belong to them when social order breaks down, is in for a rude shock. You're one heartbeat away from eternity at any given moment, just like everybody else, and it must piss you off to know there's nothing you can do about it. Instead of sitting on top of a heap of rotting corpses at the end of your ,dreamed for, day of reckoning, you could very well be at the bottom. Hell you may be long gone before that day even comes, and it may come tomorrow.

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· #19 · May 12, 2004

hey, punk, I dont HAVE to research

for hours to starte or reply to a gun post. I also dont hunt and peck to type at 10 wpm.

I'm ready for shtf at any time. I'd say it will happen when they TRY outlawing possesion of auto rifles, cause that's when CA is going to get burned off of the map, and the poison will start being randomly found in the food stores, and the prisons will start being busted open, the Alaska pipeline will be cut, and supertankers will be sunk.

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· #20 · May 12, 2004

Boy, you have some subversive ideas cooking in that sludgepot you call a brain. Instead of hanging yourself figuratively, you should strongly consider doing it literally. And you lecture people because they choose guns that you don't approve of. Sorry to end a sentence in a preposition, I know it offends your literary sensibilities. ...because they choose guns that you don't approve of , little bitch.

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