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Who do you really think will win the 2004 election?

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Not who you WANT to, who do you really think is going to be our president for the next 4 years?
 

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I didn't vote because I frankly don't know; if we're to believe the polls that are being constantly released, it's too close to call.

The combination of three things:

- Kerry's a better public speaker than Bush
- Bush is a poor campaigner (got that from his father, apparently), and
- modern Americans are just mind-bogglingly stupid (with very short memories),

makes it possible that Kerry may win. I don't know.

I do know that if Kerry wins, it'll be "good for the economy" in one small way. There's a gun show in Little Rock this weekend, and I plan to drop some money there if we're looking at four years of Kerry.
 

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I'm pretty sure Bush will win. I think one of the big stories Thu/Fri will be what the heck is up with the polling industry. The more you learn about poll's "internals" the more you question them.

Big but, is Dem voter fraud. It's a fine Dem tradition in a few places but it's obviously been systematically refined and taken nationwide.
 

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I think Bush will win;that said,I also believe that the Democratic fraud&election theft specialists could also steal it regardles of who actually gets the honest win.someone once posted the thought of another civil war in the future breaking down along constitutionalist vs. progressive-socialist types.I doubt it would happen soon,but seeds are definitely being placed in the fertile soil of delusional and/or stupid people.
2000 was a wierd one;I think this could get wierder.
 

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Yeah, I have heard that all of the polling places in Florida are going to be under observation by attorneys, etc. Wanna bet that if Kerry loses the election there won't be a lawsuit filed?

Prior to the 2000 election, Florida had been using the the same voting machines for quite a while. It wasn't until crybaby Al Gore lost and filed lawsuits that the issue of hanging chads and being "disenfranchised" (didn't you just love seeing newsclips of people saying that word that you just KNEW didn't have a clue what it meant?) became a big deal all of the sudden.

Personally, I think your vote should be public record. I really want to know that the people I voted for actually got my vote. I would like to look on the voting sheets and see if some of those names on that paper are also on gravestones in the local graveyard. Secret ballots mean no audits afterwards. There is no way of telling if your vote was even counted, much less applied to the person you wanted it to be applied to.
 

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Personally, I think your vote should be public record. I really want to know that the people I voted for actually got my vote. I would like to look on the voting sheets and see if some of those names on that paper are also on gravestones in the local graveyard. Secret ballots mean no audits afterwards. There is no way of telling if your vote was even counted, much less applied to the person you wanted it to be applied to.
I agree. if you don't want people to know that you voted for a certain person, why the heck would you want to vote for him in the first place?
 

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I agree. if you don't want people to know that you voted for a certain person, why the heck would you want to vote for him in the first place?
Only reason I'd be concerned with that is with repercussions after the fact of being on the "wrong" side. Example; our sheriff (my boss) is up for re-election today. Whether the incumbent or the challenger (who was the incumbent until two years ago) wins, I'd not be real comfortable with Jim or Charlie either one knowing how I voted.

It's not that I'm ashamed of how I voted, but much like many other aspects of my life, it's just none of my boss' business.

As far as being counted, our ballots are numbered. You sign in, get a numbered ballot, and your name is written on a ledger sheet alongside that ballot number's line (I was # 17 this morning). While the ballot doesn't have my name on it, it has that random number, which is linked to, and can be backtracked to, me personally in case of a lawsuit, etc. So it can be verified that I was ballot #17, and whether or not #17 was counted; it's verifiable with a little effort, yet not just open public record.

I assumed most places were set up similarly; perhaps they aren't.


I'll be surprised if there isn't a huge dose of chaos following (or even during) this election.
 

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The local news is reporting HUGE voter turnout.I couldn't vote this morning-the line was to long-going at lunch.I've never seen that many people @ my poll spot.

Should be interesting.
 

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A picture is worth 1000 words

This one tells the results of election 2004


Blue = Bush
Red = Kerry
 

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Take a look at this one.It shows a bit better how the big cities are oh so close to controlling the vote(& future)of the rest of the country.

BTW "zoo curator"?:laugh01:
 

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If it ever becomes a popular vote contest, then basically 7 cities will decide every election in the near future...

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Aslan said:
If it ever becomes a popular vote contest, then basically 7 cities will decide every election in the near future...

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That's what I'm seeing as well. And the population of the country is moving increasingly to urban areas.

I was in a rather lovely section of Atlanta yesterday...Piedmont Park. Sunshine, fine women walking around, interesting architecture, nice park...and Kerry/Edwards stickers everywhere. Ugh!
 
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