(or practice spares, just like the shtf guns, intended to take the wear and tear and fouling load off of the 'carry" guns? You can certainly do well at matches, hunting, plinking with "just' such guns. They are every bit as challenging and entertaining as are any other types of guns. What scares you about admitting that you VALUE being VERY capable of either self defense,or destroying tyrants, hmm?
why bother with any gun BUT shtf models
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Well, honestly, if "shtf day" does show up, I am not very likely to be sticking my Colt Pythons in my belt and going on the lam into the woods with them. But I buy them anyway simply because I LIKE them. And every day I live before "SHTF day" hits, I get to enjoy having them.
Sometimes you just have to do things because you LIKE to do them.
Planning for TEOLAWKI is all fine and everything, but a lot of people have died of old age or other causes never having to come to grips with this event. And I suspect there is a real good chance that everyone here may very well do the same.
Tyrants? Heck, if that happens, probably the very best you can hope for is to take down one or two of the guys breaking down your door to get YOU before you die. THEY will be picking the time and place to do that, not you. So don't expect to come out with the upper hand in that scenario. They will have virtually UNLIMITED resources at their disposal. Unless you spend the rest of your life moving to a new location every day, you will be predictable.
Defeatist attitude? No not really. I am just being realistic about it. There is no way they are going to back down from little ol' me with a gun in my hands. And I am not about to stand idly by while someone kicks my door in to confiscate my guns or in any other way take away my life, liberty, and rightfully owned possessions. So the results will be rather predictable.
But with any luck they will be going after people in alphabetical order so the JBT survivors after dealing with all of YOU will be pretty worn out by the time they get to me...
Sometimes you just have to do things because you LIKE to do them.
Planning for TEOLAWKI is all fine and everything, but a lot of people have died of old age or other causes never having to come to grips with this event. And I suspect there is a real good chance that everyone here may very well do the same.
Tyrants? Heck, if that happens, probably the very best you can hope for is to take down one or two of the guys breaking down your door to get YOU before you die. THEY will be picking the time and place to do that, not you. So don't expect to come out with the upper hand in that scenario. They will have virtually UNLIMITED resources at their disposal. Unless you spend the rest of your life moving to a new location every day, you will be predictable.
Defeatist attitude? No not really. I am just being realistic about it. There is no way they are going to back down from little ol' me with a gun in my hands. And I am not about to stand idly by while someone kicks my door in to confiscate my guns or in any other way take away my life, liberty, and rightfully owned possessions. So the results will be rather predictable.
But with any luck they will be going after people in alphabetical order so the JBT survivors after dealing with all of YOU will be pretty worn out by the time they get to me...
Describe SHTF......
The government and society may get worse, but it won't vanish overnight. You still have to keep from getting thrown in jail or rousted by the authorities.
Probably over time the more paramilitary hardware may have to get stashed, like buried, if you want to keep it out of government hands and yourself out of jail.
This means that you'll need two sets of weapons, one in a long term cache, and a 'civilian' set that is legal and those will be the ones you have first access too.
The government and society may get worse, but it won't vanish overnight. You still have to keep from getting thrown in jail or rousted by the authorities.
Probably over time the more paramilitary hardware may have to get stashed, like buried, if you want to keep it out of government hands and yourself out of jail.
This means that you'll need two sets of weapons, one in a long term cache, and a 'civilian' set that is legal and those will be the ones you have first access too.
Rich, people just don't want to hear that.
They think they'll take out the whole SWAT team with their glorified .22, which they don't even have, and go on some Rambutt fantasy of taking "down the government" and call it "fighting for freedom" (sounds like someone is using GK's account until they reactivate the Matrix and can go on thinking that they're doing something useful. Gunkid won't fight for freedom, and can't fight for freedom because he has no weapons at all, he'll have to get whatever he can from the trunk of Freddy the drug dealer's car AFTER SHTF.
Nevermind the fact that if you DO deal out enough casualties to make them pull back, they'll just surround the place, shoot anyone who comes out, then move in with tanks to pump liquid tear gas into your place for two hours, fire a few incendiary devices in, and then run the place over with the tanks while shouting "This is not an attack, we are coming in to help you!". Yep, big glorious freedom fight there.
They think they'll take out the whole SWAT team with their glorified .22, which they don't even have, and go on some Rambutt fantasy of taking "down the government" and call it "fighting for freedom" (sounds like someone is using GK's account until they reactivate the Matrix and can go on thinking that they're doing something useful. Gunkid won't fight for freedom, and can't fight for freedom because he has no weapons at all, he'll have to get whatever he can from the trunk of Freddy the drug dealer's car AFTER SHTF.
Nevermind the fact that if you DO deal out enough casualties to make them pull back, they'll just surround the place, shoot anyone who comes out, then move in with tanks to pump liquid tear gas into your place for two hours, fire a few incendiary devices in, and then run the place over with the tanks while shouting "This is not an attack, we are coming in to help you!". Yep, big glorious freedom fight there.
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·Why just guns. Why not go ahead and live like an animal in the woods NOW? Isn't that right, gunkid? If you are going to pracitce with only your SHTF CAR and can, why not just go into the boodocks and live like some skunk, which is what you are, right?
Sure, he blathers on about only buying what you NEED. Let's look at what he "needs"Unregistered said:
You say you don't need a sleeping bag, that a mylar blanket will last just fine. Good, you don't NEED a house then. Go buy a mylar blanket and live in the little trench you always dreamed of living in.
You SAY you can get 99% of what needs to be done, done with a .22lr, so you don't NEED and AR (which is good since you don't have one). In fact, you CAN survive with a bow you make yourself (well, maybe not you, but you get the point), so you don't NEED a gun at all, no guns.
Sell your van. Go buy that mountain bike that'll do everything. Hey, if it works for Ralph Nader. . .
Quit your minimum wage job. You don't NEED money. With all your vaunted survival skills, you can MAKE what you need.
Oh yeah, and don't come back, you don't NEED computer access, either that mooched off of your wife or the library. . .
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When one of the TARD'S ideas gets pounded this hard, he neever returns to the thread.
The reality of the contempt, in which he is held, must be nauseating to the TARD!
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The reality of the contempt, in which he is held, must be nauseating to the TARD!
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